Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

[FORBIN]

I also forgot to mention that it's lighter than harpoon by about 500 pound's

Yes 220 kg for Harpoon vs 125 for NSM but NSM more modern definitely better vs ECM and get a special warhead with titanium also more long range 185+ km vs 120.

But possible Navy have Harpoon and launchers stored eventually can be used, main problem lifetime.

Launched from a Skjold the best FAC capable 60 kn maybe a little more ! the more stealth ships with Visby, Zumwalt but they are the more small, dangerous in the fjord.

 

[dtulsa]

My feeling is their leaning towards the nsm but they can't go wrong with either one

 

[Jura The idiot]

my guess it's going to be the nsm simply because it already been on the Coronado and doesn't require a lot of modifications or integration with the ship's combat systems they simply used a laptop could also use the helos for targeting info all round a very good choice

dtulsa, I got an impression the USN wanted to fully integrate AShMs (into the combat-system, not just shoot them the way you portrayed it), which I base on this:

Aug 13, 2015

I did some digging
starting from
Navy Issues RFI for New Frigate Anti-Surface Missile

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I got to this update ("Responses to Vendor Questions):

etc., dated June 29, available from:

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and if you went on into these documents available at FebBizOpps.org, you would see item #33 (out of 38! so dtulsa, it's perhaps not that easy ...)

Weapon Software and Firmware Information

a. Provide information pertaining to all weapon software and firmware,to include programming language, software architecture, identification of key software operation states and modes(e.g.,tactical, training, and maintenance), use of commercial off-the-shelf(COTS) or modifiedoff-the-shelf(MOTS) software items, an estimate of source lines of code (SLOC), identification of software safety interlocks, and identification of abort or destruct capabilities.

LOL but maybe I'm wrong and they'll just do what you've suggested, I mean on the two ships from
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-115#post-370819
and see about the rest later?

 

[dtulsa]

I think your right just not a priority for this deployment I feel this is the long awaited fly of for the new missile for the lcs and possibly future navy replacement of the current harpoon missile

 

[Jura The idiot]

I actually did a quick comparison read of the systems on the new frigs to the f125 frigs from Germany and was surprised to find they both are similarly armed except for the caliber of the guns and the German vessels have two ram launchers

I called them
Feb 18, 2015

... displacement wasted ...

and I of course has not changed my mind since then, so, dtulsa, you may take it right from there LOL
just go to
European Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
(or click on my post I quoted)

 

[Jura The idiot]

I also forgot to mention that it's lighter than harpoon by about 500 pound's

All in all it's welcome news

heck, dtulsa, I just hope you didn't mean to present a smaller warhead as an advantage!

EDIT
yes, I'm Battleships fan, you may check
The Viribus Unitis Battleship: 1:25 Model; Main Gun Turrets
Thread; posts start from
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/the-viribus-unitis-battleship-1-25-model-main-gun-turrets.t7810/

 

[FORBIN]

heck, dtulsa, I just hope you didn't mean to present a smaller warhead as an advantage!

Haha, you like big loads and your right

More seriously obviously with last tests on a LCS USN go for NSM but with FY 2016 budget problems Harpoon is a more reasonnable price solution the problem is many retired from Perry, 5 first Tico and eventualy Spruance but since about 10 years and they are operationnals now, no sure.

 

[dtulsa]

1. That's true just seems that he is tilting towards the nsm either way I will be happy and my favourite is the 8 inch gun cruisers why don't we build some of them to modern standards lots of bells and whistles there. 2.As for the German frigs that's a lot of ship for such a light armament seems like they used the lcs concept in much larger way or as they say over here everything"s bigger in Texas good looking ships though. 3.I wonder if they plan on firing the harpoon's and the nsm or are they just along for the ride just to see how the ship's and systems react etc.

 

[dtulsa]

And I have already posted that Boeing is working on a new version of harpoon with a lighter warhead of 300 pound's and new guidance systems etc. That's my guess that's what their talking about. Also has increased range.

 

[dtulsa]

Not to change the subject why aren't naval guns mentioned for ship to ship engagement anymore seems as though with all the guided munitions and extended ranges available that would be a viable alternative to guided missiles just a random thought maybe even a guided extended range version for the 57mm wouldn't that be a viable alternative