China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Brumby]

You mean the rest of the world minus the USA.

UNCLOS also says nothing about territorial claims.

Finally, you should understand the difference between history and prehistory.

Please enlighten me between history and prehistory and how it changes the nature of the principle in discussing historic rights.

 

[vincent]

I did not say sharing a similar view as Chinese policies is wrong. Please do not misrepresent what I said. I am simply stating the general inability to articulate substance to policies and in my view reflects a parroting approach.

So your opinion for those arguments are they same old same old and should be ignored? Shouldn't it depends on the context? For example, nfgc made the argument that those islands/reefs are unclaimed. A pro-China person would argue that China claimed those islands/reefs since imperials times. Yes, it is the same argument as the Chinese government's argument, and yes, we have heard it a million times already. But in this context, it is still a valid counterpoint. The pro-China person didn't mention it out of thin air.

As your other point about playing the victim's card. Look at the map and see who occupies the most islands/isles/reefs. It is a wild wild west out there and everyone is trying their best to grab their piece. No one is innocent. Since China is the most powerful player in the area, an unbiased person would say she has shown a LOT of restraint in her action so far.

As for media bias. Please tell me how come no one report Vietnam or Phillipine's land reclamation on the islands they control yet all Western media scream about China's and made it sounded like she's the only one doing it?

 

[vincent]

Your point under scores why China's claims on historic basis opens a whole can of worms when the rest of the world has moved on to UNCLOS.

Ah, UNCLOS. Do you think Argentina should go to the UN and lay claim to the Falklands and will that do anything?

BTW, Uncle Sam has not ratify UNCLOS

 

[solarz]

Please enlighten me between history and prehistory and how it changes the nature of the principle in discussing historic rights.

History is based on written records. China's historic claim of SCS islands is based on written records of Chinese presence on those islands:

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[joshuatree]

* Arguments tends to mirror China official policies with very little substance being added;

That's rather opinionated.

* Playing the victimization card i.e. it is someone else fault

A card played by multiple sides.

* Blame foreign media for reporting bias

But there is bias, is this fact that difficult to accept?

 

[plawolf]

Ugh, there is clearly no point trying to reason with some people.

Thank goodness for the ignore function.

 

[Brumby]

That's rather opinionated.

That is an opinion formed from observation. If the landscape changes then I am prepared to change accordingly.

A card played by multiple sides.

Except there is only one in the room aspiring to be a super power. If you want to be treated and respected like a big boy then act like one.

But there is bias, is this fact that difficult to accept?

Bias is a natural fact of life. Accept it and move on. Problem is too many of the conversation is about media bias rather than the subject matter that it becomes the default talking point. I don't see anybody complaining about media bias from Global Times or the People's Daily. Why is that?

 

[vincent]

Bias is a natural fact of life. Accept it and move on. Problem is too many of the conversation is about media bias rather than the subject matter that it becomes the default talking point. I don't see anybody complaining about media bias from Global Times or the People's Daily. Why is that?

Because no one expects commies' papers to be unbiased. Besides, no one read them anyways
Western media in a shining city on a hill claimed to be balanced and unbiased, yet it is anything but. Their reportings painted a very negative picture that can affect public opinions and had lead to disastrous wars. Remember Iraq and her WMD and Saddam's link to Al Qaeda? Libya and its supposed good rebels?

Last post on this since we are getting off topic

 

[no_name]

It's good that I'm not trying to take online debates too seriously (and trying to convince everyone) these days other than maybe present my view sometimes and explaining them a bit. I don't even read all the posts sometimes. Because I mean once one has won an argument the stars will align themselves and the world is just going to change as they wish, right?

So I'll

STAY
CALM

and

MOVE
ALONG

 

[JayBird]

It's good that I'm not trying to take online debates too seriously (and trying to convince everyone) these days other than maybe present my view sometimes and explaining them a bit. I don't even read all the posts sometimes. Because I mean once one has won an argument the stars will align themselves and the world is just going to change as they wish, right?

So I'll

STAY
CALM

and

MOVE
ALONG

Haaa... we have a wise one here! Its really not worth the aggravation and time. Everyone should follow your lead and stay calm and move along. We will all be happier and enjoy the forum more just chatting and speculating about the nice new toys of the PLA.