PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Jeff Head

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Ok...what do members here, now think that we could be looking at as future carrier numbers, and the breakdown of their battle group?
I believe, once the PLAN has sufficient active numbers of those vessels you mention, a typical Chinese CSG in peacetime is going to ultimately consist of:

1 x CV Carrier
1 x Type 055 DDG
2 x Type 052D DDGs
2 x Type 054A FFGs
1 x Type 093/95 SSN

Or something close to that.

Time will tell.
 

steve_rolfe

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Ok...........i was assuming China may have 4 Carriers within the next 15 years............so that actually means there will be quite a lot of surface combatants not allocated to a carrier battle group..........or maybe there will be some sort of rotation, when vessels have to go in for refit and maintenance!
 

Engineer

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Some points I feel I need to address:

This can't be a carrier because of big openings/vacancies.
  • Those are call compartments.
  • Photographs don't show other carriers in construction having these compartments doesn't mean they are not there.
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  • Not related to those compartments, but the cross section of what is being built looks remarkably similar to the cross section of Kuznetsov class.
US takes X years to build one carrier, therefore China must take X+n years.
  • That's the lame stream media's thinking, always assuming their way of doing things is the best.
  • A carrier has a life span of about 60 years. US Navy wants to keep a fleet size of 12 carriers. It is not a coincident that one carrier gets commissioned every five years. China is under no such constraint.
  • If money isn't a problem, the US could certainly build them faster if needed.
It is China's first carrier, so there is no way it can be launched in 2016.
  • To China, it is the second carrier, with Liaoning being the first. In fact, the whole point of 001A is to use the experience from refurbishing Liaoning to get a second carrier up and running as soon as possible.
  • Launch just means the hull is completed, and that remaining work can be done outside of dry dock.
  • From keel laying to launch, the USS enterprise took a little over 2.5 years. That was the first nuclear aircraft carrier, too.
  • Launch does not mean the ship is good to go. There is still a fit out phase, which is the harder part now days and takes longer than building the hull!
Nonetheless, China needs time to figure out how to build a carrier.
  • Yet another lame stream media's thinking, always assuming China to be disorganized with no ability to plan ahead.
  • When China officially starts a project, they don't mess around. That's why there were test modules built. Tests that can be fitted in a building would have been done inside one.
  • Difficulties are there, but most have been encountered already before the first steel is even cut.
Despite what you have said, this still can't be a carrier.
  • There are people who insisted on 071 being only able to hold three LCAC, because "the ship looks too small". How did that turn out?
  • There are people who insisted that Type 1130 has only ten barrels, despite the name saying it has eleven. How did that turn out?
  • Big shrimps on Chinese BBS have been fairly accurate with their predictions. The nay-sayers outside of China, not at all accurate. We should all be more inclined to believe the big shrimps unless proof tells us otherwise.
 
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Blitzo

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The picture of kitty hawk under early construction from engineer's post

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It's quite similar to what the suspected 001A looks like at DL.
001A is at a relatively early stage of construction as well, so more modern modular construction that DL would use probably isn't "applicable" yet. Probably once the base of the hull and its internals are finished then we would see modules of the more top side of the hull moved atop and assembled.

But regardless, that picture is good evidence showing that having large compartments in a carrier is hardly unseen in a carrier's early construction, and that the fact that 001A has large compartments in its hull at present can be viewed as normal if not expected.
 

Jeff Head

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It's quite similar to what the suspected 001A looks like at DL.

But regardless, that picture is good evidence showing that having large compartments in a carrier is hardly unseen in a carrier's early construction, and that the fact that 001A has large compartments in its hull at present can be viewed as normal if not expected.
Not really, from my perspective.

Those are bulkheads, prior to the various decks in those section being built. Not open compartments like we see in the other, which exist after decks are shown built around them.

Look...we shall just see. Some posters are getting defensive and almost insulting. There is no need for that.

As I have said, I personally have not ruled it out, because the Chinese may build them as they see fit. I just have had my doubts.

If it turns out to be a carrier, I will be the first to admit it as soon as I believe that is what it is.

Time will tell.
 

DigoSSA

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Ford-class aircraft carriers close shot on the building process in time-lapse photography US navy.

See from 5:32 min.

At 5:44 we can see big gaps in the middle of the ship.
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At 5:45 the sides are added.
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Only at 5:53 the gaps are closed.
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Considering the constructive differences, gaps displayed in the Chinese shipyard did not rule out the possibility of an aircraft carrier.
 

thunderchief

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Assuming that "big tomatoes" or "big shrimps" :D are correct, what would we have in our hands ? Another STOBAR carrier similar in displacement and shape to Kunzetsov-class, with possibly more aviation facilities ?
 

JayBird

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Assuming that "big tomatoes" or "big shrimps" :D are correct, what would we have in our hands ? Another STOBAR carrier similar in displacement and shape to Kunzetsov-class, with possibly more aviation facilities ?

Yeah.... if the information they posted is accurate then it's another Liaoning with around 5% increase in overall size and some modification inside and the island.
 

thunderchief

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Yeah.... if the information they posted is accurate then it's another Liaoning with around 5% increase in overall size and some modification inside and the island.

Well, I would assume large changes inside, using more modern materials and construction techniques , no anti-ship missile batteries etc ... Therefore, it should have larger air wing then Liaoning, maybe something like 35-40 J-15 with accompanying helicopters .
 
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