Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.

[delft]

lol, are you serious?

There is an article in my Dutch newspaper today called "De wonderbaarlijke terugkeer van Saakasjvili – in Oekraïne", The amazing return of Saakashvili - in Ukraine. It contains a map of Ukraine showing the extent of the Odessa region and showing how Transnistria borders that region.

 

[Miragedriver]

Video of night clashes militias with APU near Donetsk.

Back to bottling my Grenache

 

[Miragedriver]

People observe damage in their flat after shelling between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian government troops in Donetsk, Eastern Ukraine
Picture: AP


Back to bottling my Grenache

 

[Broccoli]

Both Ukrainian and pro-Russian people have reported that Russian offensive to take Mariupol has started.

 

[delft]

From RT.com:

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At least 6 dead, 90 injured in Donetsk in shelling by Kiev – local officials
Published time: June 03, 2015 11:48
Edited time: June 03, 2015 17:39

Shelling intensified in Donbass overnight on Wednesday, with Kiev and rebels trading blame for opening fire. The mayor of Donetsk reports at least 6 civilians have been killed, mostly in the south west of the city.

"As a result of today’s shelling, four people were killed in the Kirov district and two civilians were killed in the Kuibyshev district,” Igor Martynov, Donetsk mayor, is cited by RIA-Novosti news agency.

Donetsk health officials report as many as 90 wounded as a result of today’s shelling. According to Chief Doctor at Petrovsky District hospital Igor Rutchenko, "the wounded have been arriving since morning. The total number of wounded is nearing 90."

Donetsk mayor Martynov, confirmed that 90 people “both militiamen and peaceful civilians” were injured in the Wednesday’s bombardment.

According to Rutchenko, the Ukrainian forces continued shelling the Petrovsky district hospital on Wednesday, forcing the evacuation of the patients.

“The hospital has been without energy for over two hours. The shelling of the area goes on. It was decided to evacuate the victims,” the chief doctor told Donetsk News Agency at around 15:00 GMT.

The Donetsk mayor’s office said that the evacuation of patients has also begun in other hospitals in the shelled Petrovsky district, Intefax reported.

The General Staff of Ukraine has said that in the shelling of Donetsk the Kiev forces were using the heavy artillery, which was previously withdrawn from the frontline under the Minsk peace deal from February.

“In order to stop the enemy’s offensive and to avoid casualties among the troops, the Ukrainian military command – after warning all of its international partners – was forced to use artillery, which was in the rear areas defined by the Minsk agreements,” the General Staff’s press-service said as cited by RIA-Novosti news agency.

The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) is keeping a close watch on the situation in Donetsk, Michael Bociurkiw, SMM spokesperson, said.

Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, informed that Moscow has addressed the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), asking for a report on the killed and injured in the escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Overnight Kiev’s armed forces shelled rebel positions “across the entire frontline”, according to the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) defense minister Vladimir Kononov, citing 15 dead, both fighters and civilians.

“They opened fire on our positions across the entire front line: at Shirokino, Elenovka, Maryinka with 120,122 and 125-mm rounds. We have been engaging them for seven hours now,” he added, as cited by the Donetsk news agency.

The DNR blames Kiev for “provoking” its troops at around 3:45 this morning.

Kiev denies any provocations and blames the rebels. Kiev’s Anti-Teorror Operation spokesman, Andrey Lysenko, believes a rebel offensive is underway in Donbass.

“At three in the morning, the enemy started firing on our positions near Maryinka and Krasnogorovka, using heavy artillery. They are trying to make advances, but our forces have repelled every attack and are keeping the situation under control,” he said as cited by RIA Novosti.

Donetsk authorities also say, that 37 electric substations in the city were blacked out “due to various circumstances.”

Three mines in Donbass lost power following artillery shelling, trapping almost 1,000 miners underground, according to Eduard Basurin, spokesman for the Donetsk People's Republic Defense Ministry.

"The Abakumov and Skochinsky mines lost power, trapping 379 people," he said, according to Interfax. Later Basurin reported that the Zasyadko mine in Donetsk’s Kiev region had also lost power, trapping a further 576 miners underground.

All of the trapped miners at the Zasyadko mine were evacuated to the surface by mid-day on Wednesday after “electric power supply was restored”, the DNR Emergencies Ministry said.

40 miners have also been rescued at the Skochinsky mine, the ministry added.

Donetsk mayor Martynov says over 3,500 buildings have been damaged since Kiev's military operation began in Donbass, with over 350 completely destroyed.

 

[Blackstone]

Both Ukrainian and pro-Russian people have reported that Russian offensive to take Mariupol has started.

This is the price of Western hubris, and not all of the chickens have some home to roost, yet. I say that because NATO supported so called "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe that eventually lead to a coup d'etat against the democratically elected Victor Yanukovych. You could like or dislike the man, but he initially turned to the EU for assistance and only turned to Moscow when the West said boo. The moral of this story is if you're into regime change through so called "democracy promotion," then at the very minimum, you have to do two things: 1) don't allow your mindless minions overturn democratically elected governments, if you don't have a handpicked crony waiting in the wings, and 2) don't foment half ass revolutions and see them break into little pieces; either do the full Monty or keep your fracking cloths on!

 

[Janiz]

I say that because NATO supported so called "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe that eventually lead to a coup d'etat against the democratically elected Victor Yanukovych.

The only 'color revolution' ('orange') in Eastern Europe happened in Ukraine. I hope you could name all of the countries on the map of Europe before acting like you know everything...

 

[Blackstone]

The only 'color revolution' ('orange') in Eastern Europe happened in Ukraine. I hope you could name all of the countries on the map of Europe before acting like you know everything...

Velvet Revolution, Czechoslovakia, 1989
Bulldozer Revolution, Yugoslavia, 2000
Rose Revolution, Georgia, 2003
Orange Revolution, Ukraine, 2005
Jeans Revolution, Belarus, 2006
Grape Revolution, Moldova, 2009

There were many more "color" revolutions all over the world, and as you correctly noticed, they're not in the eastern part of Europe.

 

[Jeff Head]

Velvet Revolution, Czechoslovakia, 1989
Bulldozer Revolution, Yugoslavia, 2000
Rose Revolution, Georgia, 2003
Orange Revolution, Ukraine, 2005
Jeans Revolution, Belarus, 2006
Grape Revolution, Moldova, 2009

There were many more "color" revolutions all over the world, and as you correctly noticed, they're not in the eastern part of Europe.

Yes...and when you look at the line from the Baltic States (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia) who also strongly broke away, across Belarus, to Ukraine, and then to Georgia...what you find back then was the entire block of nations along Russia's border going over.

Now, Belarus has gravitated firmly back to Russia...but the others have not. Hence Russia's very real concern.

When you add Moldavia, Romania, Yugoslavia, the Czech Republic, Poland, etc. etc., into it, ...you see the split in depth. In fact all of the following, which used to be part of Warsaw, are now a part of NATO:

Albania
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia

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This is why Russia is so concerned...they are trying desperately to halt NATOs expansion to the east. With Estonia and Latvia, NATO is already touching Russia's border. Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldavia are about all that are left...and of those, really only Belarus is firmly in the Russian camp.

This drastic...monumental...sea change and turn of events over the last 25+ years is what fuels Putin's angst and concern...and speaks directly as to why he is so determined to not allow Ukraine, under almost any circumstances, to go there. Even to the point of allowing (or even helping) the country (Ukraine) to break up.

One need only look at that map above to understand this...and also understand Russia's history and concern about not having a "buffer" between themselves and the powerful nations to their west. You may not agree with it...you may think he is going about it all wrong...but you have to understand it in the calculus of what is happening.

 

[Blackstone]

Yes...and when you look at the line from the Baltic States (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia) who also strongly broke away, across Belarus, to Ukraine, and then to Georgia...what you find back then was the entire block of nations along Russia's border going over.

Now, Belarus has gravitated firmly back to Russia...but the others have not. Hence Russia's very real concern.

When you add Moldavia, Romania, Yugoslavia, the Czech Republic, Poland, etc. etc., into it, ...you see the split in depth. In fact all of the following, which used to be part of Warsaw, are now a part of NATO:

Albania
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia

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This is why Russia is so concerned...they are trying desperately to halt NATOs expansion to the east. With Estonia and Latvia, NATO is already touching Russia's border. Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldavia are about all that are left...and of those, really only Belarus is firmly in the Russian camp.

This drastic...monumental...sea change and turn of events over the last 25+ years is what fuels Putin's angst and concern...and speaks directly as to why he is so determined to not allow Ukraine, under almost any circumstances, to go there. Even to the point of allowing (or even helping) the country (Ukraine) to break up.

One need only look at that map above to understand this...and also understand Russia's history and concern about not having a "buffer" between themselves and the powerful nations to their west. You may not agree with it...you may think he is going about it all wrong...but you have to understand it in the calculus of what is happening.

Good points, Jeff, and well written. As it turns out, Francis Fukuyama was wrong about the end of history, and instead of being bored, we're living in interesting times.