Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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MwRYum

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What I've been reading about this Jimmy Lai guy is he's a wannabe Roger Ailes and he wants the freedom to use his media companies to control politics therefore control Hong Kong. He can't do that with the communists in control. Also I read he's the one that paid for Sarah Palin's trip to Hong Kong to do a speech where she turned it to mean she had foreign policy experience. BTW, that was her first trip outside the US.

Obviously Jimmy Lai thinks he can, and with PRC so unlike the USSR (that is, not performing assassination) or the US (UAV headhunting, for instance), thus he could be so bold, and idolize by so many.
 

ancestral

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Obviously Jimmy Lai thinks he can, and with PRC so unlike the USSR (that is, not performing assassination) or the US (UAV headhunting, for instance), thus he could be so bold, and idolize by so many.

Must give CPC the credit for keeping their words. If I were Xi, the first thing I'd do is to do exactly what you suggested.
 

Piotr

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I think China should ask US State Departament and it's agents like Joshua Wong and Benny Tai to pay for economic losses their illegal "Occupy Central" movement created.
Majority pay the price for minority's acts
By Leung Kwok-Leung (China Daily) Updated: 2014-10-08 08:07

The ongoing political farce that is "Occupy Central" has cost the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region tens of billions of dollars in economic losses over the past nine days. It began with class boycotts by university students and secondary school pupils, whose organizers, the Hong Kong Federation of Students and Scholarism, maintained back then they would boycott classes but not studies. They invited some scholars to give public lectures about constitutional reform and "real universal suffrage".

However, the boycott soon turned into an illegal campaign by other political organizations with a penchant for violence. They proceeded to occupy the open space known as "Civic Square" in front of the government headquarters in Admiralty and block all access to government offices. They also used barricades to stop police officers from performing their duties and went so far as to attack them with umbrellas and other blunt objects in an attempt to breach the police cordon around the government complex. The organizers also encouraged their followers to put the chief executive's office under siege.

When the Hong Kong Police Force sought to contain the mob-like crowd, some radical groups and individuals with ulterior motives made the authorities' proper response an excuse to fan resentment toward the officers at the scene and elsewhere in the city. As a result more illegal gatherings took place in the busy commercial areas of Central, Causeway Bay and Mong Kok, blocking traffic on major streets and forcing hundreds of shops, schools, kindergartens and government services to close down.

The three initiators of "Occupy Central" could hardly hide their glee as they bragged about the "impacts everywhere" and used the chaotic situation as a bargaining chip to challenge the SAR government and the central authorities. Their two main demands, that the National People's Congress Standing Committee withdraw its decision regarding Hong Kong's constitutional reform and Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying immediately resign, are both acts that would be against the law. Many students were upset about this tail - wagging-the-dog turn of events and their misgivings caught the attention of the local media, hence the accusation that "Occupy Central" hijacked the student protest and turned it into illegal occupation of public properties.

Insidiously described as "civil disobedience" to deceive the public at home and overseas, the fact is many protesters brought umbrellas with metal poles and spokes that can easily injure or even kill another person. The organizers said the umbrellas were for cover when the police used pepper spray on the protesters, but the truth is many protesters used the umbrellas as weapons to attack police officers first and deliberately aimed the pointed metal poles at police officers' eyes. Dozens of officers sustained injuries from supposedly peaceful umbrellas. It was such premeditated assaults that prompted the police to use pepper spray to repel the attackers, whose intention was to provoke the authorities with violence all along. The protesters also set up camp in public thoroughfares to block traffic and deny other people's access to various destinations, effectively limiting the freedom of movement of millions and the right to subsistence for many business owners. That is another gross violation of the spirit of civil disobedience.

Mahatma Gandhi, father of the largest civil disobedience movement in modern history, must be turning in his grave.

The "occupiers" are not the only ones that wantonly trampled over other people's rights. Some "pan-democrat" lawmakers, who are obligated to unconditionally serve public interests, also joined the brazen adulterating of the concept of civil disobedience by offering their offices in the Legislative Council building for use by the protesters. It is common knowledge that LegCo members are public servants and have no right to use their offices, which are public property, for purposes not related to their jobs, not to mention the fact that the protesters are there expressly to make members of the public suffer. Is there any action more insulting to the spirit of civil disobedience than that?

The ongoing law-breaking of "Occupy Central" has taken the anti-democratic tyranny of the minority to a whole new level in Hong Kong. No matter when and how it is subdued eventually the people of Hong Kong will have to decide once and for all if they want to keep the rule of law effective, because such illegal campaigns are bound to happen again until public consensus is reached on banning them for good and trusting the Hong Kong Police Force to enforce such a law.

Although most of the students taking part in the above-mentioned illegal activities should be shown reasonable leniency and educated to become law-abiding citizens instead of arresting and prosecuting them according to relevant law, such destructive illegal movements, which cost Hong Kong huge economic losses, cannot be allowed to continue ruining the city.

The time has come for all Hong Kong residents to decide if they want to live their lives peacefully and free of political abuse by reinforcing the rule of law or submitting their dignity and well-being to the selfish whims of political opportunists grabbing power at the expense of public interests by means of mob politics.

For true democracy, peace and prosperity, social stability must be maintained through the rule of law first. That requires all members of Hong Kong society abide by the law and allow the judicial and law enforcement departments to do their jobs without any interference.

The author is a veteran journalist based in Hong Kong.
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I think China should ask US State Department and it's agents like Joshua Wong and Benny Tai to pay for economic losses their illegal "Occupy Central" movement created.

Joshua Wong and Benny Taiou are US State Departments agents? Prove it if you really think that is true....Ooppss..Too late..Guess what? Read the next post.
 

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The postings in this thread of the last few days are not in the spirit on which this forum was founded nine years ago. Not at all. I'm seeing a lot of hate directed at the Hong Kong people And hate towards mainland Chinese people.. I don't like it at all. Hate in any form is an abomination.

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Blackstone

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OC Hong Kong is back

They'reee baaack... "Occupy Central," Hong Kong version is back with a repackaged "open letter" to Xi Jinping demanding the dismissal of current HK Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying, and institution of OC Hong Kong-defined "democracy."

Two things immediately struck me about the letter are OCHK revolutionaries are well-versed in Saul Alinsky, and the open letter to Xi Jinping is written in... English. ENGLISH??? Bad move kiddos, the average Chinese might be offended by Chinese petitioners appealing to the emperor in a foreign language, and OCHK has no chance to get all they want without solid support from the Mainland citizenry. Is there a Chinese version of the open letter and can someone link it?

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An open letter to Chinese President Xi Jinping on Hong Kong people’s well-being

President Xi Jinping,

According to the International Monetary Fund, China will soon become the world’s greatest economy. For many, they will take pride in this extraordinary economic success of China. You proclaimed to pursue “The China dream” – the dream of all people, which shall therefore be realized by the people, and for the people. We presume you would agree that real accomplishment can only be achieved from a bottom-up approach by the people. Now, Hong Kong people have made clear that the same dream for the previous 30 years: the implementation of genuine universal suffrage and the establishment of a system which respects equal rights and guards the well-being of Hong Kong people in the generations to come.

You once said, “We shall always listen to the people, respond to their expectations and ensure equal rights of participation and development, so as to maintain social justice.” Don’t Hong Kong people’s persistence for an equal system echoes with your thought? Hong Kong people’s proposal of the abolition of Functional Constituencies and Civil Nomination within the Chief Executive electroal framework or the nominating committee aims at guaranting equal participation and rights, with a view to achieve an equal development and protect social fairness and justice.

Sadly, at this very moment, our Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying is acting exactly contrary to your vision. 700 thousand Hong Kong people vowed explicitly their support for the practice of civil nomination as the direction of political reform. Nevertheless, Leung’s report to NPCSC failed to account faithfully Hong Kong people’s wishes. It is an outrage to witness how he manipulated our view to “Hong Kong people’s disagreement with the Legislative Council reform and abolition of the functional constituencies”. It is a complete disregard of public opinion and denial to Hong Kong people’s expectation. The framework of the political reform issued by the NPCSC is a result of the government’s untrue report. If the Hong Kong government had been honest about public opinion, they would have confessed to their fault, rectify and, most importantly, include Hong Kong people’s genuine wishes in the direction of electoral reform. In mainland China, voters can nominate their local governments. Civil nomination, therefore, has its legal ground. There can be no reasons for the Hong Kong government to fear practicing civil nomination.

It is an agreed fact that the current Chief Executive election system is not capable of bettering Hong Kong any further. While anti-corruption campaigns are under way in mainland China, CY Leung, who has been keeping $50M in secrecy, remains unfettered. There will only be more citizens, disillusioned with our corrupted institutions, marching and protesting, as long as no genuine democracy is practiced in this place. It is our profound hope that none of our future generations shall repeat our path, but enjoy genuine freedom and democracy, and pursue their dreams.

The occupy movement today at Hong Kong is definitely not a colour revolution or its alike, but rather a movement for democracy. The class boycott initiated by students and occupy movements across the city are our response to CY’s aversion towards public opinions. We demonstrated peacefully, but were confronted by violence; we howled, but were made silent by pepper spray and full-geared police. Yet the choking gas lingered in Central could not scare the citizens, but only triggered more to stand against this unscrupulous government and affirm justice. A genuine universal suffrage should never be drawn equivalent as subversion. It rather serves to exhibit the high degree of autonomy embodied in Basic Law. National defence and diplomatic matters have always been adminsitered by the Central Government. If the Central Government is confident of her governance, she need not be fearful of a Chief Executive elected by Hong Kong citizens. Genuine universal suffrage will only reaffirm such autonomy and be another exemplar of yours.

Our respect towards the principle of “One Country, Two Systems” is the precise reason to put forward that Hong Kong shall resolve Hong Kong’s problems and citizens’ opinion must be given heavy weight. This is precisely the reason why HKSAR government should be guilty of misunderstanding us, and shall help to rectify the political reform by urging NPC to withdraw her decision. The current situation catches attention not only from Hong Kong, but also China, Taiwan and even the rest of the world. We have high hope for you to take this matter closely. It is by no means worthy letting a corrupted official jerpardizes “One Country Two System” and blemish the grand “China Dream”.

For the sake of a democratic political system, fellow students are willing to give up their studies or even risk their lives. Only at this moment can we realise how disgraceful our city is and how terrifying she has been suppressing us. It is only when a generation is sacrificing all of their time and efforts on street protest can we notice how CY Leung has antagonised this very generation. Some twenty or thirty years later, students fighting for democracy today will then become the pillars of the city. As 2047 approaches, any decisions today will cast a significant influence in our pathway towards democracy. We believe that nobody is eager to see his succeeding generation bet their lives for democracy and a better Hong Kong.

We, as students, urge to settle these issues of Hong Kong:
1) The HKSAR government must bear the sole responsibility, be accountable to Hong Kong citizens and rectify herself
2) To establish a democratic system that affirms equal rights
3) To uphold the principle of “One Country, Two Systems”: Hong Kong problems be settled in Hong Kong; Politics to be settled by Politics

Yours sincerely,

Hong Kong Federation of Students
Scholarism
11 October, 2014
 

A.Man

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Re: OC Hong Kong is back

It will not work: trying to promote the fight between the mainland and Hong Kong governments.
Hong Kong is a part of China. Hong Kong is not Ukraine!
Don't push!
China can tell you: suck it up! We are one country and one system.
 

delft

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Re: OC Hong Kong is back

They'reee baaack... "Occupy Central," Hong Kong version is back with a repackaged "open letter" to Xi Jinping demanding the dismissal of current HK Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying, and institution of OC Hong Kong-defined "democracy."

Two things immediately struck me about the letter are OCHK revolutionaries are well-versed in Saul Alinsky, and the open letter to Xi Jinping is written in... English. ENGLISH??? Bad move kiddos, the average Chinese might be offended by Chinese petitioners appealing to the emperor in a foreign language, and OCHK has no chance to get all they want without solid support from the Mainland citizenry. Is there a Chinese version of the open letter and can someone link it?

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Perhaps they hadn't yet time to translate it. :)
 

bd popeye

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Re: OC Hong Kong is back

Apparently SOMEONE has trouble understanding what I posted in the other Hong Kong thread..

Hello... Looks like to me the numbers of the Occupy Central demonstrators in HK have dwindled to a few hundred ..if that. And some of the discussion in this thread is way off topic. Really. That being stated if the demonstrations in HK do not increase/resume soon I will close this thread. It will remain a "sticky" so it can be easily found & re-opened if necessary if more demonstrations by Occupy Central erupt..

"Don't underestimate my power."

I DO not feel it is time yet to re-open this discussion. I alone will make that decision.

Do not quote this post anywhere in this forum or PM me or any other mod about this closed thread.

"Perhaps you feel you've been treated unfairly?"


DO NOT open any other Occupy Central threads.

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bd popeye

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The situation in Hong Kong is now back on the forefront of the news. We cannot ignore this situation.

Post according to the rules of this forum. Politics allowed.

THREAD OPEN.


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