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[Jeff Head]

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Everyone is getting into the act.

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A new milestone for the LHD ‘Juan Carlos I’ took place off the coast of Cádiz; namely the landing, for the first time, of a US Marine Corps MV-22 ‘Osprey’ coming from Morón Air Base.

A series of scheduled operations were conducted on board the LHD to test the interoperability of the aircraft with the ship: landing, mooring, tie-down, folding and towing to the elevator.

After the trials on board and a hot refueling operation, the ‘Osprey’ took off and completed a series of a further three landings and takeoffs.

Earlier, the Japanese did the same type of testing for their Hyuga Class (DDH) and Osumi Class (LHD) vessels. Also, on the HMS Illustrious.

More pics on the Juan Carlos:

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You have to know the Australians are watching this with interest and taking notes.

 

[mankyle]

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A little video that shows the entire landing sequence depicted in those Pics that Jeff posted. Sorry because it is a video that one of the Spanish TV channels has posted but I don't know how to directly embed the video.

BTW Jeff, the Spanish equivalent of the "Tour de France" bicicle race will start this year in Rota, where those four Burkeswith the ABM mission are going to be deployed. AND, the race will start inside of the Juan Carlos I LHD.

This will be the second time this ship is used as a TV studio for something like this. In february they used the ship in one of the episodes of the Spanish edition of the Masterchef TV program.

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[navyreco]

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Kongsberg unveils for the first time a Submarine Launched NSM at Balt Military Expo 2014

At the 13th Baltic Military Fair BALT-MILITARY-EXPO 2014 currently held in Gdansk, Poland, Kongsberg shows for the first time a concept of a submarine launched variant of its NSM (Naval Strike Missile). The missile is based on the JSM (the variant specifically designed to fit inside the F35 JSF jet's weapons bay). Kongsberg with its partner Nammo will design a specific booster to launch the missile after breaking out of the water.

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DCNS Scorpène submarine: an unmatched strategic deterrent capability

The specific conditions of the Baltic Sea are favourable for the use of submarines and make them very difficult to detect, unlike land and air platforms for launching deterrent weapons. The ability to operate underwater for several weeks, provided by air-independent propulsion systems, in particular, makes undetectable and omnipresent modern submarines the most effective carriers of cruise missiles. The Scorpène has been designed to carry the MdCN naval cruise missile.

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[Jeff Head]

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Excellent live fire test video of the Norwegian Naval Strike Missile:

[video=youtube;n02rbfPtZis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n02rbfPtZis[/video]
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[FORBIN]

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For Scorpene actually no is equipped with AIP, planned for Chili, Brazil and latest Indians.

Brazilian version is more big, more " oceanic ".

 

[Miragedriver]

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Excellent live fire test video of the Norwegian Naval Strike Missile:

[video=youtube;n02rbfPtZis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n02rbfPtZis[/video]
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Interesting how most anti-shipping missiles will cause tremendous damage to a vessel but the chance of sinking the vessel is low. But ultimately, you do not need to sink a naval vessel to render it worthless for battle.



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec

 

[Jeff Head]

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Interesting how most anti-shipping missiles will cause tremendous damage to a vessel but the chance of sinking the vessel is low. But ultimately, you do not need to sink a naval vessel to render it worthless for battle.

Depends on the ratio of the blast to the size/displacement of the vessel.

In order to sink it, you have to compromise it's watertight state. Blow a big hole at or below the waterline, break its back, crack it open, etc. A very large warhead can do this, or a realitvely good sized warehead or weight moving at very high speed.

Otherwise, you seek to achieve a mission kill.

For outright sinking, a medium to heavy weight torpedo is still the most dangerous threat IMHO.

Now, with a very large aircraft carrier built to military combat standards, or large LHD/LHA built the same...you still will require multiple hits below the water line...unless you absolutely break its back...because the watertight integrity, and the vessels overall ballast is not likely to be overcome by one or two such hits.

 

[Miragedriver]

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Depends on the ratio of the blast to the size/displacement of the vessel.

In order to sink it, you have to compromise it's watertight state. Blow a big hole at or below the waterline, break its back, crack it open, etc. A very large warhead can do this, or a realitvely good sized warehead or weight moving at very high speed.

Otherwise, you seek to achieve a mission kill.

For outright sinking, a medium to heavy weight torpedo is still the most dangerous threat IMHO.

Now, with a very large aircraft carrier built to military combat standards, or large LHD/LHA built the same...you still will require multiple hits below the water line...unless you absolutely break its back...because the watertight integrity, and the vessels overall ballast is not likely to be overcome by one or two such hits.

Absolutely true! I would much rather be on a vessel hit by an ASM than a torpedo. Torpedoes cause an incredible amount of damage, especially at or below the water line. A hit form one on a destroyer (or possible even cruiser) size vessel will almost always be catastrophic.

[video=youtube;vYAWrkvyYdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYAWrkvyYdc[/video]
With an ASM there is a good chance the vessel will still be afloat. It may be worthless to continue the battle though.

The HMS Sheffield and the Atlantic Conveyor where hit by Exocet but not sunk They sunk after wards due to high seas. The HMS Glamorgan was also hit by Exocet and survived with minimal damage. The USS Stark was hit by an Exocet anti-ship missile fired by an Iraqi Mirage F-1. The USS Stark was damaged, but she was able steam to a friendly port for temporary repairs. Israeli corvette INS Hanit was hit by ASM fired by Hezbollah, which inflicting battle damage, but this warship managed to return to Israel in one piece and under its own power. Yes a Frigate size vessel hit by a larger missile will not fare well for the vessel.

It makes you think about making sure your naval vessels have a close-in weapon system like the Russian-made AK-630 or Kashtan or the American Phalanx and Goalkeeper.



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec

 

[Bernard]

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Depends on the ratio of the blast to the size/displacement of the vessel.

In order to sink it, you have to compromise it's watertight state. Blow a big hole at or below the waterline, break its back, crack it open, etc. A very large warhead can do this, or a realitvely good sized warehead or weight moving at very high speed.

Otherwise, you seek to achieve a mission kill.

For outright sinking, a medium to heavy weight torpedo is still the most dangerous threat IMHO.

Now, with a very large aircraft carrier built to military combat standards, or large LHD/LHA built the same...you still will require multiple hits below the water line...unless you absolutely break its back...because the watertight integrity, and the vessels overall ballast is not likely to be overcome by one or two such hits.

I think I read somewhere or someone told me that it would take something short of a nuclear bomb to sink a Nimitz class supercarrier?

 

[kwaigonegin]

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I think I read somewhere or someone told me that it would take something short of a nuclear bomb to sink a Nimitz class supercarrier?

To sink a Nimitz class you have to hit her below the water line.. Even then your talking multiple torpedo hits at multiple spots. Conventional bombs and ashm will render it mission kill especially if the flight deck is compromised but not sink her.
Thereorically a kinetic kill vehicle with dense material traveling at hypersonic speed can punch through her top to bottom from above that can sink her as well. If it hits the reactors than she will most defitely sink.