Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

[kwaigonegin]

Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

As someone who believes in God even I think the journalist and comentators have gone cuckoo!

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.. and as much heat and jokes that they have taken for it, it looks like Malaysia is far from having that part covered when it comes to clairvoyants.

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[solarz]

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As someone who believes in God even I think the journalist and comentators have gone cuckoo!

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.. and as much heat and jokes that they have taken for it, it looks like Malaysia is far from having that part covered when it comes to clairvoyants.

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Con artists capitalizing on a tragedy to make a quick buck. Despicable.

 

[B.I.B.]

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If it was the intentent of the perp/perps to try and land in a rouge state ,then why not carry on towards Peking and turn towards N.K. At the last moment?

 

[solarz]

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If it was the intentent of the perp/perps to try and land in a rouge state ,then why not carry on towards Peking and turn towards N.K. At the last moment?

You're assuming the perpetrator has any sort of alliance with NK.

At this point, although evidence points toward malfeasance, we simply have no idea what the motivation might be.

 

[Quickie]

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I disagree. Why was the fact that ACARS was switched off before the plane's last message not revealed in the first day? This would have immediately pointed toward a possible hijacking, instead of wasting days searching at the last known location for a wreckage.

They were talking about the ACARS right from the start but I didn't really get what they were talking about. (partly because of the audio and background noise again). Anyway, in the course of the investigation, the ACARS was found to be to be disabled. It was not switched off because it simply can't be. Disabled can still be some kind of malfunction of hardware. It would be highly unwise to not search the last known location even if you suspect there are a host of other possibilities including hijacking.

 

[solarz]

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They were talking about the ACARS right from the start but I didn't really get what they were talking about. (partly because of the audio and background noise again). Anyway, in the course of the investigation, the ACARS was found to be to be disabled. It was not switched off because it simply can't be. Disabled can still be some kind of malfunction of hardware. It would be highly unwise to not search the last known location even if you suspect there are a host of other possibilities including hijacking.

By all means, search the last known location, but don't *just* do that. The possibility of hijacking or deliberate course diversion was not brought up until days later. If the possibility was brought up earlier, perhaps the Inmarsat would have been made relevant earlier.

 

[kwaigonegin]

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They were talking about the ACARS right from the start but I didn't really get what they were talking about. (partly because of the audio and background noise again). Anyway, in the course of the investigation, the ACARS was found to be to be disabled. It was not switched off because it simply can't be. Disabled can still be some kind of malfunction of hardware. It would be highly unwise to not search the last known location even if you suspect there are a host of other possibilities including hijacking.

Incorrect assessment by both you and solarz.

1. ACARS are preprogrammed to transmit every 30 minutes. The last verbal comm happened just a few minutes AFTER the last ACARS transmission (but before the next 30 minutes mark) so it would be impossible to determine factually if it was 'switched' off before or after the verbal comm.

2. ACARS can be swithced off HOWEVER it still pings (and that's how they determined the southern and northern arc by INMARSAT from ACARS ping).... not too different than cell phones. Even if you don't 'use' the phone it still pings cell towers. The only way to truly disable the cell phone from picking up is to either wrap it in tinfoil or to take out the power source (battery). To totally disable ACARS would be the same. You have to severe the power source of cut off the datalink altogether which fortunately in this case was not down. If the 'perp' has totally destroy the ACARS (as oppose to just turning it off) then they would NEVER EVER know where the heck it went (again assuming current search knowledge is true).

 

[solarz]

Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Incorrect assessment by both you and solarz.

1. ACARS are preprogrammed to transmit every 30 minutes. The last verbal comm happened just a few minutes AFTER the last ACARS transmission (but before the next 30 minutes mark) so it would be impossible to determine factually if it was 'switched' off before or after the verbal comm.

2. ACARS can be swithced off HOWEVER it still pings (and that's how they determined the southern and northern arc by INMARSAT from ACARS ping).... not too different than cell phones. Even if you don't 'use' the phone it still pings cell towers. The only way to truly disable the cell phone from picking up is to either wrap it in tinfoil or to take out the power source (battery). To totally disable ACARS would be the same. You have to severe the power source of cut off the datalink altogether which fortunately in this case was not down. If the 'perp' has totally destroy the ACARS (as oppose to just turning it off) then they would NEVER EVER know where the heck it went (again assuming current search knowledge is true).

So do we know if the ACARS was just turned off or completely disabled? If the ACARS has been pinging all this time, wouldn't they have had knowledge of the plane's course from day one?

 

[Quickie]

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Incorrect assessment by both you and solarz.

1. ACARS are preprogrammed to transmit every 30 minutes. The last verbal comm happened just a few minutes AFTER the last ACARS transmission (but before the next 30 minutes mark) so it would be impossible to determine factually if it was 'switched' off before or after the verbal comm.

2. ACARS can be swithced off HOWEVER it still pings (and that's how they determined the southern and northern arc by INMARSAT from ACARS ping).... not too different than cell phones. Even if you don't 'use' the phone it still pings cell towers. The only way to truly disable the cell phone from picking up is to either wrap it in tinfoil or to take out the power source (battery). To totally disable ACARS would be the same. You have to severe the power source of cut off the datalink altogether which fortunately in this case was not down. If the 'perp' has totally destroy the ACARS (as oppose to just turning it off) then they would NEVER EVER know where the heck it went (again assuming current search knowledge is true).

No need to explain. I already came to know the above much earlier. And which part of my explanation was wrong? I never explained on the timing sequence of how the ACARS was disabled.

Some news media still reported the ACARS as being "switched off" but this isn't exactly correct. According to a pilot commenting in a news article about how you would disable the ACARS, it is not as straight forward as flipping a switch and would require finding and removing certain circuit breakers.

The other thing is that the ACARS is separate from the transponder and the equipment doing the pinging to the satellites. The diagram in this link should better explain this.

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[Air Force Brat]

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So do we know if the ACARS was just turned off or completely disabled? If the ACARS has been pinging all this time, wouldn't they have had knowledge of the plane's course from day one?

Nyet~ all that data has to be "mined" from its many divergent sources, and to be very frank, they likely still don't know the planes final course, whether or not other sources have been forthcoming with classified data, I would suggest that is also highly doubtful? brat