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Blitzo

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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China

That article is so full of drivel I'm just going to ignore it.


In any case, this is a drawing of the progress of the B-52 bombers.
Hardly worth intercepting given their lumbering progress literally on the edge of the ADIZ.



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MwRYum

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So this MoD revelation makes it sound like the US B-52s were circling in and out of the ADIZ and far from the disputed islands... like a pair of naughty five year olds who think they're being tough by spinning and hollering just out of arms reach.


Whose face is being lost here again?


(I kid, I kid. I think the USAF response was actually a fairly measured one and was meant to emphasise that they will still operate as normal, but they also didn't go deep enough to be intercepted. The fact that this was on the most eastern edge of the ADIZ will probably escape most news outlets who will be determined to keep up the story that the USAF B-52s had somehow embarrassed the PRC's ADIZ and would end up championing its cause.

More like your typical Cold War era games getting a new slick of paint here...so who says Cold War is dead and gone?
 

aquauant

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The fact is that now more and more commercial airlines are filing their flight plans in compliance with the ADIZ. Therefore it will soon be normalised.
 

BigWang

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Well, in some ways it is clearly more of a political move. The Chinese want to exert more influence over the disupted territory. They thought that this ADIZ would help them do that.

But the US is not going to play along with those requirements. The ADIZ as detailed by the PRC requires that any non-regular civilian flight file a flight plan and inform the Chinese of their transponder codes and frequecies.

The US has said no in a very direct way, both verbally, and now, a day later, physically. I expect in the areas right over those Islands, where the Japanese have been administering the islands and flying their maritime patrol aircraft for over 30 years, that the Japanese will also now clearly say no.

But the fact is that the US did it first, and that was probably by desing, even though this was a planned flight. they did not cancel or alter it and used it to make thge US the one who took the lead.

This also gives the PRC a way to more gracefull back down. I expect that if the PRC now uses the ADIZ as a "buffer" zone, to identify any aircraft flying an agressive flight path aimed at the Chinese mainland, and then only intercepts those aircraft at a pre-determined distance well within the zone, that things will stay calm.

However, should the Chinese up the ante and begin deploying AWACS on each end of the Zone, with multiple flighter patrols within the zone (all of them on a 24x7) basis to try and truly enforce the whole zone...then there could be trouble. I hope that does not happen, and really do not expect it to because the cost and tempo the PRC would have to maintain to enforce such a large zone strictly at such distances from the mianland would make it pretty cost prohibitive to me. It's the kind of a thing you exert over a much weaker opponent, or in a time of war. neither of those exist in this case..

Here on SD, to avoid the otherwise likelihood of national fervor on both sides resulting in calls for enforcing the zone completely on one side, or in terms of responding with military force against the zone on the other, lets try and focus our efforts on a defensive nature of the ADIZ, and the opportunity the PRC has to avoid a direct confrontation with Japan. IOW, lets avoid talk of direct military confrontations. If the Zone becomes a buffer for true protetction of the mainland only, then there would little need for escalation.

Anyhow, that's my advise. Otherwise the forum members on both sides of this could easily work up quite the lather over it.

China Says it RESERVE the Right to take defensive measure against intruding US planes. Keep in mind the word RESERVE.

What kind of defensive measures? Could it like the hainan incidence send a plane up there to Collide with B52, probraby a UAV and then claim that as ACCIDENT. I believed last time that US spy plane had to force to land in Hainan after the collision.

So, don't be cocky.
 
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Cyclist

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I think start monitoring the planes that do not inform their flight information when entering ADIZ is also one of the "defensive emergency measures". And that is just what China did.

China 'monitored' US bombers in new air zone
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Please be reminded: ADIZ = Air Defense Identification Zone, many news site try to spin it to Air Defense Zone.

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I believe regarding this latest incident, more and more Chinese will believe that they are surrounded by hostile forces and therefore must unite. China must getting stronger and stronger.
 

MwRYum

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I believe regarding this latest incident, more and more Chinese will believe that they are surrounded by hostile forces and therefore must unite. China must getting stronger and stronger.

In a way, the Western powers especially the US are doing the work of National Education for the Chinese government, every bit of confrontation made by Japan, S. Korea, Vietnam and Philippines have the US pulling strings either openly or behind the scene. Thus, more and more Chinese flock under the government banner.

Yet, it also force Beijing to go further and further down the hardline path, when the consequence of such is increasingly unthinkable. If the people demanding for war, could Beijing not provide?
 

xiabonan

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I think start monitoring the planes that do not inform their flight information when entering ADIZ is also one of the "defensive emergency measures". And that is just what China did.

China 'monitored' US bombers in new air zone
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Please be reminded: ADIZ = Air Defense Identification Zone, many news site try to spin it to Air Defense Zone.

Let's take a look at one of one-sided news site:
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I believe regarding this latest incident, more and more Chinese will believe that they are surrounded by hostile forces and therefore must unite. China must getting stronger and stronger.

The last point is a fact, not a belief. We are indeed surrounded by hostile forces and we need to unite and get stronger.
 

mr.bean

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after seeing that flight path the US bomber made, it doesn't look that provocative at all. they flew in at the edge approx. 200km from the DYT islands then went up and down close to the boundary. there's no doubt it's a political move if you look at the flight path. this whole thing is getting blow way out of proportion. hot headed young Chinese bloggers and the western press is sensationalize this issue.

the US wants to make a political statement:
1) it doesn't like what the Chinese did and will challenge it
2) tell Japanese that America is fully backing them
3) reassure allies in the region

china made a great move in establishing their ADIZ, so they should let the American's make their political statement. most civilian airlines will comply and file in their flight plans that's already a huge plus. if Japanese airlines don't comply then that's the stupidity of shinzo abe. many Chinese bloggers suggesting if Japanese airlines don't comply with china's ADIZ then Chinese airlines shouldn't comply with Japan's ADIZ like a tit or tat response. I think that's a bad move because it's done for flight safety. it's good to comply and inform the relevant air traffic controllers and air force let them know who you are, your position, your flight plane and your final destination. just because Abe is an idiot doesn't mean china has to follow. most military aircraft from friendly nations will comply too so that's another plus. if future US military aircraft don't comply (which we think they wont) then just track them and keep records. if it's feasible send a couple of planes up for visual identification and take some pixs. fly with them for 10mins or so and then turn back and head home. it's no big deal and there's nothing hostile about it, they just don't want to act in a friendly manner. that's pretty much how ADIZ operate all over the world. china operating it's own ADIZ wouldn't be that much different from the rest of the world's. if a Japanese civilian airliner comes into the ADIZ without cooperating they can send a plane up once in a while for visual identification, take photographs tell them 'have a safe journey' and head back to base. they don't need to do it everytime, there is nothing urgent but I guess its good practise for PLAAF pilots since this is all new to them.
 

SampanViking

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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China

There are two things that I think we can be sure about.

1) China did not set up an ATIZ and say "OK now lets see what happens". A lot of thought and planning will have been put into both the setting up and operation of the zone, plus in anticipating and managing the reactions of other nations.

2) The ADIZ is a behaviour test. China expects its neighbours and others to respect and co-operate with its requirements. Doing so will be construed as a "friendly act". Conversely, not doing so will be construed as an "unfriendly act".

I do not expect to see any major fireworks over the ECSADIZ any time soon, but I do expect that airlines that fail to lodge flight plans will find their access to Chinese Airspace and Airports seriously curtailed. I also expect that those nations that fail to respect the zone will find doing general business with China, significantly more difficult.
 

Hytenxic

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While all of us on this forum knows the realities of the situation, the general consensus around the web is that China was shown its place during this incident. News outlets may have knowingly twisted the truth (Not the first time) of this event (such as ADIZ turning into a NFZ) to score major political points and to drum up the Anti-China fervour. And looking at the comments on major sites such as Reddit, it seemed to have worked quite well.

I apologize if this was slightly off-topic
 
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