East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

[SampanViking]

Look at the bigger picture gents. I did write in another related thread a week or so ago, that China is looking to weaken the Geopolitical alliance between US and Japan.

Just look at the timing of this announcement. Its the very day that China and the USA are sitting down with others to close a deal with Iran in Geneva.

To Japan the message is crystal clear - "the big boys are all meeting to put the world to rights and you are not invited. Instead watch us and your best mate glad hand with you out of sight and out of mind"

To the US it is about making really hard choices about policy priorities and of course maintaining the image of a global leader, which means being able to finish the business it starts without allowing itself to be blown off course or otherwise distracted.

Its a rebuke and humiliation aimed at Japan and a major policy headache for Washington.

 

[Blitzo]

And the Japanese response:

Japan Protests China's Air Defense Zone
By Mari Iwata
Nov. 23, 2013 4:42 a.m. ET

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TOKYO—Japan lodged a strong protest against China on Saturday regarding the latter's announcement earlier in the day that it has set up an Air Defense Identification Zone that includes disputed islands in the East China Sea, Kyodo News reported.

Asian and Oceanian Affairs Bureau Director-General Junichi Ihara at Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs conveyed the government's protest during a phone call to an official at the Chinese embassy in Tokyo, the news agency said.

China's defense zone, or ADIZ—within which foreign aircraft must identify their flight plans and follow instructions from the Chinese military—overlaps with Japan's ADIZ.

Military analysts say the move could increase the potential for a clash between Chinese and Japanese military planes operating around the disputed islands, known as the Senkaku Islands in Japan and the Diaoyu Islands in China.

A spokesman for Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs declined to comment on the Kyodo report.




The winner of this round seems pretty clear cut, possibly the most contrasting result for the whole last three years of this dispute. Let's see who makes the next move, china or Japan.

 

[siegecrossbow]

According to Xinhua, PLAAF completed the first airborne patrol of the new East China Sea Air Defense ID zone. Two reconnaissance aircraft, as well as AWAC and supporting fighters, were launched during this patrol.

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新华网北京11月23日电中国空军新闻发言人申进科空军上校此间表示,中华人民共和国东海防空识别区公布划设后,中国空军进行了首次空中巡逻。

　　申进科介绍,此次中国空军出动两架大型侦察机执行空中巡逻任务。同时,出动了预警机和多型战斗机,实施支援掩护和指挥保障。

　　申进科表示,中国空军在东海防空识别区内进行空中巡逻,符合国际通行做法。国际航班在东海防空识别区内的正常飞行活动,不会受到任何影响。

　　申进科指出,中国军队有能力对东海防空识别区实施有效管控,将根据不同空中威胁采取相应措施,保卫空防安全。

 

[SamuraiBlue]

It only going to be a nightmare for PLAAF pilots as well where they are required to make scramble take offs every time a JASDF enters this zone.
PRC has been playing around harassing JASDF making 520 intrusions in the past year alone. Now JASDF will just return the courtesy by dong the same.

 

[Rutim]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not what Japan does every time they detect Chinese coast guard/AC/drone within the contested areas? So this is essentially just China formally announcing that they will now scramble jets and patrols etc in kind?

Those spheres doesn't have any backing in international law so yeah, the number of scramblings will just rise and you'll witness Japanese planes escorted by Chinese planes and vice versa from the other standpoint. Joint patrols over the joint airspace

 

[Preux]

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Japan's ADIZ, for reference.

 

[Preux]

It only going to be a nightmare for PLAAF pilots as well where they are required to make scramble take offs every time a JASDF enters this zone.
PRC has been playing around harassing JASDF making 520 intrusions in the past year alone. Now JASDF will just return the courtesy by dong the same.

Intrusions into Japan's ADIZ - which extends FURTHER than Japan's EEZ claim line and well within China's undisputed EEZ.

Methinks Japan doth protest too much.

 

[Dolcevita]

Not sure where to put this so I opted to start a new thread.

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Long overdue.

 

[delft]

I found this article from The Japan Times from apparently November 10:

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NATIONAL / POLITICS

China eyeing contentious air defense zone in East China Sea: paper
KYODO

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army is considering setting up an air defense identification zone that would overlap with Japan’s over the East China Sea — a move that is likely to heighten tensions between the countries — according to an internal Chinese military document.

An ADIZ serves as a national defense perimeter that triggers fighter scrambles when foreign aircraft enter the zone without prior notification.

The zones are set up outside national airspace to prevent incursions by suspicious aircraft.

To date, China has not defined an ADIZ. If the country were to establish such a zone, it would be certain to overlap with Japan’s as a major part of the Japanese ADIZ over the East China Sea has been set closer to China than the median line, which lies at an equal distance from the two countries.

The internal document obtained by Kyodo News shows that a Beijing-based senior air force official proposed strengthening the nation’s air defense operations by setting up a Chinese ADIZ, saying neighboring countries “are insisting the validity of marine boundaries disadvantageous to our country.”

The official also argued that China cannot control its maritime resources effectively without an ADIZ, the document said.

The move comes as an increasing number of Chinese aircraft have been approaching Japanese airspace after the government purchased three of the five main islands in the uninhabited Senkaku group in the East China Sea from a private owner in September last year.

In the first such intrusion, a Chinese State Oceanic Administration airplane entered Japanese airspace over the islets in December.

Such zones are set up by countries based on domestic law. There are no international rules concerning their establishment.

Clearly China signaled its intentions before hand to give Japan time to prepare a considered reaction while still making its point forcefully.

 

[lcloo]

Like Rambo said to his commanding officer - Sir, they draw the first blood..... So he did what he had to do. A give back in kind.