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THOR: Dark World was absolutely great! I liked it even better than the first one.

There were some very good and tasteful humor scenes in the movie to go along with it. Loki had a couple of classics in that regard. Anyhow, it was really good and it will definitely find a place on my iPad.

Very recommended.

And a LOT of good movies coming up too. Here's what I will see between now and the end of February, 2014.

Hunger Games: Catching Fire
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
47 Ronin
Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit
I, Frankenstein
Lone Survivor (True Story by the lone Survivor of Operation Redwings, about Lt. Michael Murphy, Posthumous MOH winner)
The Monument Men
Robocop (2014)


No way! So it is better than the first Thor movie? I'm surprised because not a lot of movies where the second film are usually better than the first. Rocky II, Godfather II, and The Empire Strikes Back are one of the few that comes to my mind in that category.
 

ABC78

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I like being entertained and if there is some anime I like I'll watch it. But there a lot of anime that's just out right crap that gets eaten up by people. These people are pretty dang annoying they're that new version of goth/emo types but cosplay in loud colorful outfits. And it seems that I'm not alone in my disdain of these people.

I Love/Hate Anime

From Bitter Asian Men:

I Love/Hate Anime

Hey folks. Today’s May 31st – I hope you had a good Asian History Month! Wait what? You didn’t realize May was Asian History Month? I guess I can’t blame you. After all when I was in grade school, in February the school would put up these big banners with the faces of Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks plastered on them. In May, do you think my school put up big banners with Confucius or Tokugawa Ieyasu on them? Hell no. (Not that anybody that age would recognize them if they did. At worst, they’d call Confucius ‘the fortune cookie guy’). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – Asians are the least-minority of the minorities in the US. We get the marginalization, the prejudice, the bad stuff that comes with being minorities, but none of the perks… if you can call having a month where people pay attention to you and 11 months where they don’t a ‘perk’.

Anyway, that’s not what I’m going to talk about in this article. You see, I have a confession to make. It’s hard for me to say it, but… I like anime.

GAH! There, I said it. Happy? Yeah, I don’t usually tell people I like anime because it’s embarrassing. But wait! Why the hell is it embarrassing to say you like anime in this country? I’m half-Japanese, even, it’s part of my culture. I should be embracing it!

I’ll tell you why it’s embarrassing: OTHER ANIME FANS. When I say “I like anime”, it unfortunately puts me in the company of some of the most annoying, shameful (and also shameless) people on the face of the planet. Incidentally, while there are extremely annoying anime fans of Japanese or otherwise Asian descent, most of the annoying ones (and most fans in general in this country) are white, so I’ll be talking about these people most. A friend of mine has a term for them: JAPANOPHILES. I’ll go over their worst aspects step-by-step.

1. They think anime is the pinnacle and/or the ONLY aspect of Japanese culture
I hate it when people say they’re interested in Japanese culture. This is because usually what they really mean is ‘I’m an anime fanboy’. If you took 100 Americans who say they like Japanese culture, 99 of them would give you a blank stare if you asked them what they thought about wabi vs. sabi, or the kaidan of Akutagawa Ryuunosuke, or the folk music of Inoue Yosui. Ask them what they think about Cowboy Bebop, however, and they’ll tell you exactly what they think about it.

2. They think that many things OWE THEIR EXISTENCE to anime
I play Guild Wars, incidentally. When Guild wars: Factions, which had an Asian-influence, came out, there was a sharp and staggering rise in the sheer amount of idiocy springing up about the game and what inspired the things found in the game. The worst came from Narutards, of course. There’s a skill called Way of the Assassin in Factions. For some reason, these Narutards assumed that the skill was an homage to Naruto. Never mind that “Way of the…” has been used for decades to translate ‘do’ in Japanese. Such as you know, Bushido being translated as Way of the Warrior. Later when an NPC named Acolyte Sousuke was introduced into the game, Narutards said that he was clearly an homage to Sasuke. WTF?! The names aren’t even spelled the same, and never mind that “Sousuke” is you know, a name that existed way before Naruto did! That’d be like saying, oh hey, I’m a huge fan of Heroes… did you know that Peter in Family Guy was named after Peter Petrelli!!!?!? Hurr. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if some younger Narutards were so stupid that they think Naruto INVENTED ninjas.

3. They think liking anime somehow makes them COMPETENT in the language
When I do watch anime these days, I try to download the raws. The reason is if I get fansubs, invariably I’ll find some bad mistakes and I’ll end up getting pissed at the fansubbers instead of paying attention to the episode. A major problem is that fansubbers (and their video game counterparts, the RPG script translators) have a passing knowledge of Japanese but not enough to be competent. They’ll make up for it by looking stuff up in online Japanese dictionaries, or in the worst-case scenario, using Bablefish. So they’ll translate idioms literally – like ‘kanazuchi’, meaning ‘bad swimmer’, they’ll call ‘iron hammer’, the literal translation. So you get nonsensical sentences like “Oh that girl, she’s an iron hammer”. They’ll also translate false cognates incorrectly – like ‘saabisu’ usually means ‘free’, not ‘service’. Anyway, everybody makes mistakes, but when these people make mistakes, their mistakes get taken as truth by hordes of other Japanophiles.

4. They try to BECOME JAPANESE
This is one of the most annoying aspects of these people. They talk about how they love Japanese culture so much, they’re going to immerse themselves in it and become as “Japanese as possible”. Naturally this is based on the false assumptions I mentioned in Point #1 that anime comprises a large part of Japanese culture. You can easily tell who these people are – they take Japanese classes and say ‘sugoi’ and ‘baka’ all the time; they take kendo but all they really want to learn is battou-jutsu; they talk about how they’re going to move to Japan and it’ll be so awesome because they can buy all the manga and anime merchandise they want and nobody will call them a freak. (Reality check: they will in fact be called freaks.)

5. They EXPLOIT Japanese culture for money and/or fame
Hell, remember MegaTokyo? I fucking hate MegaTokyo. It’s a bunch of Japanophiles writing about being Japanophiles that just gets scarfed up by other Japanophiles – and they MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT. If you aren’t of Japanese descent, you have no idea how ridiculously offensive that concept is. Though maybe I can put it into a more familiar parallel – if I were a young black man growing up in the ghetto, and some suburban rich white boy started making rap albums about growing up in the ghetto when he’s never even set foot in one, and he subsequently sold millions of albums to other suburban rich white boys who wished THEY were rappers… yeah, that’s about the same level of pissed that I am about things like MegaTokyo.

Anyway, it’s clear I have a love/hate relationship with anime. Actually, it’s not even that complicated – I love anime, but hate most of the people in the fandom. So I don’t like telling people I don’t know that I like anime, because I’ll get lumped in with them. Damn, those people are obnoxious. Going to conventions are the worst. I’ve been to several, mostly to hang out with friends, but at conventions I always find myself saying stuff like “Man, I like anime, but at least I’m not like these freaks!” to myself about every 5 minutes or so.

I don’t have the time nor the energy to write about every annoying aspect of Japanophiles. Hell, I barely touched upon the cousin of the anime fanboy, which is the import video gamer fanboy. You know, the guys who know 10 words in Japanese but mod their PS2s and import Final Fantasies (or Naruto games) and try to slog through it. I’d write about them now but I’m already feeling nauseous from writing what I have so far, so I’ll just leave it at that.

Happy Asian History Month!

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Jeff Head

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Will be seeing Hunger Games: Catching Fire, and Delivery Man this weekend with the wife. Double feature followed by dinner.
 

Franklin

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The membership here are going to love this one. The movie is called dragon day, here is the synopsis.

Duke, an out-of-work NSA engineer, finds his family stuck in a small mountain town the day a devastating cyber-attack destroys the U.S. as we know it. Every microchip 'Made in China' has been infected with a virus that rapidly shuts down all modern technology. Duke's fate becomes intertwined with a Mexican migrant worker as they fight the odds to survive in a chaotic world without water, food or power.

Directed by Jeffrey Travis.

[video=youtube;RdR6La5T0n0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdR6La5T0n0[/video]
 

Jeff Head

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The membership here are going to love this one. The movie is called dragon day, here is the synopsis.
Yep, I saw that trailer and a few other videos of the characters and the general development of the plot.

It's basically a two thousand-teens "Red Dawn," without the Rah-Rah, red meat, and take down all of the commies plot and action.

More of a knocked down, trodden upon, most people giving in, and a few people trying to find out what happened and then what the heck can they do about it kind of a movie.

I'll go see it.

solarz said:
LOL, reminds me of the plot of "Son of Heaven". I'm starting to think that subconsciously, white people are terrified of asians. .
Oh come on Solarz.

Please.

It's a fictional story that the writers, film makers and actors are trying to make millions of dollars off of. They hope they have an interesting enough plot that engages people and catches their interest, and then the characterization, and special effects to make it work. If it comes across as an interesting twist on the plot, has some excitement and a good story line, and does not lose the audeince or treat them as brain dead...it will probably do fine.

And that's what it is about. Not some sub-conscience fear white people have of Asians, or some "master" race or something. Sheez, get a little more sleep. LOL!
 

Blitzo

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I don't think solarz meant that per se.

However film makers usually use outgroups as plot devices and antagonists... There's nothing specifically wrong with that, I suppose it's just the greater exposure of such repeated elements get a little tiring especially for the groups portrayed as such. Also important is just how influential the US film industry is compared to others, meaning its message will probably be heard above and beyond other messages.


Of course, I'm not seeking to politicize anything, but we should also recognize the real world sociological effects of plot and character in film and other media.


(Specifically, this day of the dragon film is a little amusing/eyebrow raising given the recent snowden leaks and is yet painting china as a hypothetical aggressor in a massive "infiltration" style cyber attack, whereas the leaks have revealed the extent to which various large US tech companies have been complicit in both domestic and international NSA data collecting activities. It's a little irksome because it's rousing fear of china while overlooking the real world environment which it is somewhat incongruous with. Red Dawn, Olympus has fallen, even the australian movie tomorrow when the war began, have all used an enemy of an asian descent as plot tools, which disturbs me a little because that's sowing unconscious seeds of animosity and may lead to modelled behaviour in future).


Anyway, it's just a tangent.
 

Jeff Head

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There's nothing specifically wrong with that, I suppose it's just the greater exposure of such repeated elements get a little tiring especially for the groups portrayed as such.

Of course, I'm not seeking to politicize anything, but we should also recognize the real world sociological effects of plot and character in film and other media.

Red Dawn, Olympus has fallen, even the australian movie tomorrow when the war began, have all used an enemy of an asian descent as plot tools, which disturbs me a little because that's sowing unconscious seeds of animosity and may lead to modelled behaviour in future.

Anyway, it's just a tangent.
Heck, there have been just as many movies using Russians, German (to this day), Middle Eastern, Americans themselves, and of course, aliens as the villians.

I would not make more of it than it is...Movie Makers trying to make a buck.

It is certainly not reflective of the society at large...and most of us recognize it for what it is...fiction. Something that is not meant to be real.

Anyhow, we shall see. I believe as time goes on, th world market, both in terms of purchasing and in terms of making films is going to have more and more impact. They are coming up with better and better movies and challenging the Hollywood dominance...and that, IMHO, is a good thing.
 

Blitzo

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Yes, Jeff, I agree that various other groups have also been portrayed as the "bad guys" and even Americans themselves.

And that's exactly what I mean.
How much less hostility would there be in the world if Russians and Middle Easterners weren't constantly portrayed as the bad guys? Or perhaps the real question is, is that hostility justified in the real world context?

Fact is, movies do motivate people into various beliefs, and unfortunately people can generalize a single depiction into a various larger group. This goes for all societies, not just america, and I don't want to seem like I'm calling out america for some scheming reason of my own. Rather, I point this out because america is currently the most powerful country in the world and the opinions of its people (and the hostility that some people may hold to other groups) can definitely lead to unnecessary conflict, or at the least, may pave the road to such conflict.

Fortunately most populations of most countries can separate fiction from reality. But there's a good part of every populace which is less enlightened. And also, repeated exposure to a depiction of a group will probably lead to some difference in opinion of that group compared to someone who hadn't experienced such repeated exposure. If that exposure is negative, then chances are their opinions will also turn negative. It's a fairly simple intergroup psychological play.


Anyway, this is one of the examples I was getting at
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AssassinsMace

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Well the history of cinema has from the beginning been used as a propaganda tool by all. There was a movie called Broken Blossum from director DW Griffith, who was also behind the controversial movie Birth of a Nation, that depicted a Chinese man (who wasn't a Chinese actor) called "The Mongoloid" who seduces a white woman away from her white husband. The husband was so distraught he committed suicide. When this movie was showing in Los Angeles, moviegoers stormed out of the theater marched down to Chinatown and burned the whole place down. It was unknown how many Chinese died because newspapers back then didn't report it. I remember watching on the news when Rambo First Blood Part 2 first came out in theaters it was somewhere in the Midwest I think where a group of people after watching the movie went out and attacked some Vietnamese on the street.

Movies are powerful and can be used as propaganda. I remember back when the Red Dawn remake was talked about in here, I mentioned to a poster, who doesn't visit here it seems like in a while, who defended the movie that I wanted to see a Chinese version of Red Dawn made where the US invades China. Like I suspected that poster was against it. Why would he defend the Hollywood remake but be against a Chinese version of Red Dawn? It's because the very messages he was okay with the Hollywood remake sending to the public he didn't want being sent with a Chinese version of Red Dawn. If it's just a movie then there should be no problem but there was a problem if the Chinese do it. Hence why I mentioned I wanted to see a Chinese version of Red Dawn because I knew that hypocrisy would be exposed.

When we hear people want to take "action" against China, it's always preventative warning that something has to be done now or else... This "movie" portrays itself as realistic scenario as to warn people that they need to take action. This wasn't made for entertainment from what I've read about their pitch for this movie. It sounds to me the producers are looking for investors so this movie probably hasn't been completed. The production doesn't look Hollywood level. Besides this idea highly likely came out before Edward Snowden. I think a lot of steam has been let out on any case accused of China regarding cyber attacks. Given what Snowden has revealed, this guy who thought this up was just displacing what the NSA can do with China. I just read an article about how Obama is pushing through with making a case against China on cyber-espionage he had planned before Edward Snowden surfaced. I was reading the comments and most of them are pointing to the hypocrisy. Accusing China of cyber espionage is pretty petty on the global stage now especially when the anger with allies is it's wrong to do against allies. They don't consider China an ally therefore they get to spy without apologies and China can do the same in return.
 
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