PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Let's keep Su-35 in the appropriate thread. The Amur deal is under discussion right now. Amur has a lot of engine related issues. Even if it doesn't, China prefers its own propulsion system over the Russian ones. And it also wants to install its own electronics and weapons. But there is a lot about the single hull design for shallow waters that China can learn from

well if it materialises then it will be the biggest ticket item since 2002 when Kilo was signed, over almost 10 years!
 

Quickie

Colonel
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

The news article said that it was confirmed by Strategy Page. Might as well forego the confirmation. :p
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Speaking of conventional subs, has Yuan production stopped?

I believe Yuan is still being produced in Wuhan but continuing discussion on type 95 seem the design is completed.China should start with construction any day now. With this new Sub China would close the generational gap in nuclear submarine.

Development of China's fourth-generation nuclear submarine completed
(People's Daily Online) 14:33, September 22, 2013
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At the recent 2013 Four Northeastern Provinces Cooperation Leaders' Conference held in Ordos, Inner Mongolia, Tan Zuojun, vice governor of Liaoning Province and former general manager of China State Shipbuilding Corporation, revealed that development of China's fourth-generation nuclear submarines and other high-tech weapons and items of equipment in the Northeastern Provinces of China had been completed. The news attracted considerable attention.

The fourth generation nuclear submarine features high performance and low noise


Military expert Du Wenlong pointed out that the main characteristic of the fourth generation nuclear submarine would be its high performance. Compared with earlier submarines, modern attack submarines differ significantly in offensive power, possessing both anti-submarine capabilities and also strong potential for anti-ship action and attacks on land-based targets. He pointed out that the fourth generation nuclear submarines of the United States and Russia already have these capabilities; China's fourth-generation nuclear submarines too will be equipped with the appropriate torpedoes, along with missiles suitable for use against other sea-going or land-based targets. In addition, the Chinese submarine will have low noise output, a key indicator for measuring a modern nuclear submarine's underwater survival capacity, as well as its ability to remain hidden during maneuvers, or undetected while launching an attack. He pointed out that the fourth-generation nuclear submarine will possess effective noise damping features, such as a quieter nuclear power plant with less vibration, and a more advanced hull muffler system, so that it will be difficult to detect even if within range of enemy sonar.

On the question when the fourth-generation nuclear submarine will enter service, Du Wenlong said that completion of development and completion of construction are two different phases - the cycle from completion of development to manufacturing, and then to fitting out and launch, can be very long, perhaps several years. Progress is determined by two factors: one is technical indicators, and the other is strategic need.

A significant enhancement of nuclear counterattack capability

Analysts believe that continual development of attack submarines and strategic nuclear submarines at times of peace, adding better performance and greater combat ability, can enhance strategic deterrence capability. China's strategic nuclear forces are weapons to deter third parties from becoming involved in local conflicts. China firmly adheres to the principle of non-first use of nuclear weapons, but the existence of strategic nuclear submarines will give China a stronger voice and more room for maneuver in the case of any crisis. In addition, Song Xiaojun points out that the United States, Russia, Britain and France all possess modern strategic nuclear submarines as a symbol of their status as 'Great Powers'; it is natural that China should be unwilling to lag behind.
 

SinoSoldier

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I believe Yuan is still being produced in Wuhan but continuing discussion on type 95 seem the design is completed.China should start with construction any day now. With this new Sub China would close the generational gap in nuclear submarine.

Development of China's fourth-generation nuclear submarine completed
(People's Daily Online) 14:33, September 22, 2013
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At the recent 2013 Four Northeastern Provinces Cooperation Leaders' Conference held in Ordos, Inner Mongolia, Tan Zuojun, vice governor of Liaoning Province and former general manager of China State Shipbuilding Corporation, revealed that development of China's fourth-generation nuclear submarines and other high-tech weapons and items of equipment in the Northeastern Provinces of China had been completed. The news attracted considerable attention.

The fourth generation nuclear submarine features high performance and low noise


Military expert Du Wenlong pointed out that the main characteristic of the fourth generation nuclear submarine would be its high performance. Compared with earlier submarines, modern attack submarines differ significantly in offensive power, possessing both anti-submarine capabilities and also strong potential for anti-ship action and attacks on land-based targets. He pointed out that the fourth generation nuclear submarines of the United States and Russia already have these capabilities; China's fourth-generation nuclear submarines too will be equipped with the appropriate torpedoes, along with missiles suitable for use against other sea-going or land-based targets. In addition, the Chinese submarine will have low noise output, a key indicator for measuring a modern nuclear submarine's underwater survival capacity, as well as its ability to remain hidden during maneuvers, or undetected while launching an attack. He pointed out that the fourth-generation nuclear submarine will possess effective noise damping features, such as a quieter nuclear power plant with less vibration, and a more advanced hull muffler system, so that it will be difficult to detect even if within range of enemy sonar.

On the question when the fourth-generation nuclear submarine will enter service, Du Wenlong said that completion of development and completion of construction are two different phases - the cycle from completion of development to manufacturing, and then to fitting out and launch, can be very long, perhaps several years. Progress is determined by two factors: one is technical indicators, and the other is strategic need.

A significant enhancement of nuclear counterattack capability

Analysts believe that continual development of attack submarines and strategic nuclear submarines at times of peace, adding better performance and greater combat ability, can enhance strategic deterrence capability. China's strategic nuclear forces are weapons to deter third parties from becoming involved in local conflicts. China firmly adheres to the principle of non-first use of nuclear weapons, but the existence of strategic nuclear submarines will give China a stronger voice and more room for maneuver in the case of any crisis. In addition, Song Xiaojun points out that the United States, Russia, Britain and France all possess modern strategic nuclear submarines as a symbol of their status as 'Great Powers'; it is natural that China should be unwilling to lag behind.

Goes well with the many unsupported rumors that the 095 has completed its trials and that the 096 is in construction.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Speaking of conventional subs, has Yuan production stopped?
The first two Yuans are thought to be some what based on the Project 877 Kilos, and the second two, more closely related to the later Poject 636 Kilos. 2-3 more have been built since which are more modernized with at least two of them apparently having AIP. So, around seven Yuns have been built altogether.

That makes 12 PLAN kilos, 13 Songs, and now 7 Yuans. But since there are still something like 25 of the older Mings to be replaced, I cannot imagine the Yuan build to be finished, unless something even newer is in the works.
 

Blitzo

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Are yuans derived off kilo?

I think yuan is an indigenous product, with some kilo influence (visually, only the hump)
Also I was under the impression all yuans had AIP, at least from sinodefence.com
 

Jeff Head

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Are yuans derived off kilo?

I think yuan is an indigenous product, with some kilo influence (visually, only the hump)
Also I was under the impression all yuans had AIP, at least from sinodefence.com
Yuans are indigenous, but perhaps influenced by Kilo in terms of their increasing capability as compared to those Kilo Projects.

I do not think all Yauns are AIP. Tphuang? Franco-Russo? Cirvine11?
 

broadsword

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Development of China's fourth-generation nuclear submarine completed
(People's Daily Online) 14:33, September 22, 2013


At the recent 2013 Four Northeastern Provinces Cooperation Leaders' Conference held in Ordos, Inner Mongolia, Tan Zuojun, vice governor of Liaoning Province and former general manager of China State Shipbuilding Corporation, revealed that development of China's fourth-generation nuclear submarines and other high-tech weapons and items of equipment in the Northeastern Provinces of China had been completed. The news attracted considerable attention.

The fourth generation nuclear submarine features high performance and low noise

Military expert Du Wenlong pointed out that the main characteristic of the fourth generation nuclear submarine would be its high performance. Compared with earlier submarines, modern attack submarines differ significantly in offensive power, possessing both anti-submarine capabilities and also strong potential for anti-ship action and attacks on land-based targets. He pointed out that the fourth generation nuclear submarines of the United States and Russia already have these capabilities; China's fourth-generation nuclear submarines too will be equipped with the appropriate torpedoes, along with missiles suitable for use against other sea-going or land-based targets. In addition, the Chinese submarine will have low noise output, a key indicator for measuring a modern nuclear submarine's underwater survival capacity, as well as its ability to remain hidden during maneuvers, or undetected while launching an attack. He pointed out that the fourth-generation nuclear submarine will possess effective noise damping features, such as a quieter nuclear power plant with less vibration, and a more advanced hull muffler system, so that it will be difficult to detect even if within range of enemy sonar.

On the question when the fourth-generation nuclear submarine will enter service, Du Wenlong said that completion of development and completion of construction are two different phases - the cycle from completion of development to manufacturing, and then to fitting out and launch, can be very long, perhaps several years. Progress is determined by two factors: one is technical indicators, and the other is strategic need.

A significant enhancement of nuclear counterattack capability

Analysts believe that continual development of attack submarines and strategic nuclear submarines at times of peace, adding better performance and greater combat ability, can enhance strategic deterrence capability. China's strategic nuclear forces are weapons to deter third parties from becoming involved in local conflicts. China firmly adheres to the principle of non-first use of nuclear weapons, but the existence of strategic nuclear submarines will give China a stronger voice and more room for maneuver in the case of any crisis. In addition, Song Xiaojun points out that the United States, Russia, Britain and France all possess modern strategic nuclear submarines as a symbol of their status as 'Great Powers'; it is natural that China should be unwilling to lag behind.

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asif iqbal

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Sounds like Type 095 SSN which I always believe would be China first true SSN comparable to other similar SSNs

if China wants to a carrier strike group they need a nuclear attack submarine
 
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