Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

By the way, I think after disclosing of the engine development from China Aerospace Propulsion Technology 2013. We seen 2 important development of domestic powerplants for this L-15advance trainer...

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With domestic designation, it seems that L-15 is going to be endorsed by PLAAF or PLANAF is a matter of time. The very fact, they are even developing 2 powerplant instead of one shows they placed great growth potential of this advance trainer which no doubt will serve in significant numbers for PLAAF.

I think we can be quite sure, PLANAF also might see L-15 serving in CV-16 Liaoning as a pilot trainer aircraft. Therefore reducing the workload of J-15S and reducing cost as L-15 will be cheaper to burnout compare to J-15S.

We have news of 12 L-15 trainer will be deliver to export customer at the end of this year. I am wondering will we see a fleet of L-15 trainer in PLAAF ensign by the end of this year too?

It seems that AVIC wants L-15 to be a potential fighter. It would make a great one, and perhaps they would even want to make the price attractive for foreign buyers like the freedom fighters in Syria or Kachin rebels.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

By the way, I think after disclosing of the engine development from China Aerospace Propulsion Technology 2013. We seen 2 important development of domestic powerplants for this L-15advance trainer...

bukyp20.jpg


With domestic designation, it seems that L-15 is going to be endorsed by PLAAF or PLANAF is a matter of time. The very fact, they are even developing 2 powerplant instead of one shows they placed great growth potential of this advance trainer which no doubt will serve in significant numbers for PLAAF.

I think we can be quite sure, PLANAF also might see L-15 serving in CV-16 Liaoning as a pilot trainer aircraft. Therefore reducing the workload of J-15S and reducing cost as L-15 will be cheaper to burnout compare to J-15S.

We have news of 12 L-15 trainer will be deliver to export customer at the end of this year. I am wondering will we see a fleet of L-15 trainer in PLAAF ensign by the end of this year too?

The two small thrust turbofans would also be useful for UAVs, which may be why there are two parallel programmes.

I can see the L15 as the final nail in the coffin of a potential PLA JF17 purchase, and I can really see both the PLAAF and PLANAF buying into it in a big way.

The L15 would be a perfect replacement for much of the PLAAF's large J7 and Q5 fleets, where a J10 or J11 would be an overkill in many regions. The L15 would obviously also serve as the main AJT for both services, with a carrier version all but inevitable, and should also be pretty useful as a light ground attack aircraft.

I can also see the L15 doing well internationally, with the many foreign K8 operators natural candidate for a follow up order. I would also not be surprised if the PAF ends up ordering L15s rather than invest too much on a twin seat JF17 trainer. If they do bother with a twin seat JF17, I think the focus would be more on strike rather than as trainer.
 

delft

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

It seems that AVIC wants L-15 to be a potential fighter. It would make a great one, and perhaps they would even want to make the price attractive for foreign buyers like the freedom fighters in Syria or Kachin rebels.
Selling to the two candidates you mention would be interference in the internal affairs of other countries in violation of the Charter of the United Nations. That Western countries do so, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, will be no reason for China to do so too.
 

A.Man

Major
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

No News, I Post Some:

来自于洪都航空股东大会的一手信息,请各位大神吐槽,看看有几成水分,hd现在可是热点啊!

1. 关于K8销量:2013年至少有20架合同交付,主要是出口;2012年销量也在20多架规模(整机,主要是国内)。
2. 关于L15销量:2013年确认7架,都是航展上与中航技签署订单的剩余部分,主要会在4季度交付;前5架在2012年已经确认收入。公司对2015年的销量较有信心,因为历史上立项之后过几年后订单会比较饱满。注:按照2012年与中航技关联交易金额5.16亿测算,因为K8 2012年主要为国内,所以L15出口金额平均约为1亿元。
3. 关于L15型号:06架是加力的第一型(战斗入门型),当时军方立项没有明确的时间表,所以以国际市场为主研制的。2012年出口订单是03/05架为基础定型的教练型。未来国内装备前期也都会是教练型。
4. 关于L15立项:由于人员调整,立项进度延后,2013年下半年可能会获得立项(空军+总装)。立项的载体是洪都公司,不是上市公司,会不会公告取决于到时公司和洪都公司以及证监会的沟通结果。
5. 关于L15产能:由于目前是投产初期,产能不是很大,可能达不到一年两个批次(24架),2015年可能会接近3个批次的产能。
6. 关于中航工业洪都规划:2015年100亿收入(飞机规模约占50%),2015年下半年部分搬迁至航空城。
7. 关于业绩:由于一季度K8交付较多,所以同比扭亏。中报计划稳健增长。
8. 关于无人机:由于密级较大,没有交流。我们估计是重型无人作战飞机,可能3季度前后试飞,由集团层面承接,生产会在上市公司。

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First-hand information from the general meeting of shareholders of the Hongdu Aviation, you God tucao, see if there is a few into the water, hd now, but hot! K8 sales: in 2013, at least 20 contract delivery, the main export; 2012 sales are more than 20 aircraft scale (the whole, mainly domestic). L15 sales: 2013 recognized seven Airshow signed with CATIC remaining part of the order, will be delivered in the fourth quarter of 2012; 5 has confirmed that income. Have more confidence in sales for 2015, because the order will be full of the history of the project after a few years. Note: In accordance with the with CATIC related transaction amount 516 million estimated in 2012, the K8 2012 mainly for the domestic, so the amount of L15 exports an average of about 100 million yuan. L15 Model: 06 afterburner type (fighting entry-level), the military project no clear timetable, developed mainly to the international market. 2012 export orders is 03/05 as the basis of stereotypes trainer. Future domestic equipment early will also coach. 4. L15 project: the personnel adjustments, delay the progress of the project, in the second half of 2013 may project (Air Force + assembly). The project carrier Hongdu not a listed company, will not communicate results announcement depends on when Hongdu and the SFC. L15 capacity: initial production capacity is not large, may be up to two batches of less than a year (24), 2015 may be close to three batches capacity. AVIC Hongdu Planning: 2015 100 billion income (aircraft accounted for 50%), in the second half of 2015, partially relocated to the aviation city. 7 results: Since the first quarter of K8 delivered more, so year-on-year losses. Daily News plans to solid growth. 8 UAV: dense, there is no communication. We estimate that heavy unmanned combat aircraft, may 3 quarters before and after flight, to undertake on a group basis, production in listed companies.
 

Deino

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

Seems as if L-15 production alias JL-10 will start soon. :)

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L-15“猎鹰”从试飞院返厂 有望近期量产

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关键词:高级教练机,猎鹰,教练机,试飞院,洪都航空,

近日,洪都公司自主研制的“猎鹰”L-15高级教练机已从试飞院返厂,这表示L-15高级教练机的试飞测试工作已结束,有望于近期进入批量生产。根据超级大本营军事网获得的消息,中国军方装备的“猎鹰”将被命名为“教练-10”型高级教练机。
教练机是培养飞行员的专用飞机。教练机分初级、中级和高级三大类,满足飞行学员循序渐进的训练要求。其中,高级教练机大多具有优良的特技飞行性能,还具有基本的武器和战术训练能力。随着歼-10、歼-11等第三代作战飞机的大批服役,以及未来第四代隐形战斗机的装备,中国空军的教练机急需与时俱进。
洪都公司的“猎鹰”高级教练机是融合了多项最新航空技术的新一代教练机,采用双发双座,具有先进的气动布局、高度综合的航空电子系统、国内先进的电传控制系统和高密度的结构布局,具备第三代战斗机的大迎角机动飞行能力和高敏捷性。“猎鹰”装备部队以后,中国航空兵飞机训练数量和技术上都非常滞后的情况将获得极大的改变。
 

A.Man

Major
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

Finally, PLA Air Force Placed Order on JL-10 Known as Hongdu L-15

2013年5月底的一天下午16时许,南昌某机场跑道上传来发动机巨大的轰鸣声,紧接着,一架蓝白相间涂装的高级教练机,像一支离弦之箭冲出起飞线,昂首飞上了蓝天,地面响起了热烈的掌声。至此,承载了无数人梦想的L-15“猎鹰”高级教练机完成生产定型,即将开始批量生产并装备中国航空兵部队,根据超级大本营军事网获得的消息,中国军方装备的“猎鹰”可能被命名为“教练-10”型高级教练机,首批“教练-10”将装备华东某训练基地。
生产定型是对新型装备小批量生产的质量稳定性及批量生产条件进行全面考核。申请生产定型的标准和要求是:①具备成套批量生产条件,生产工艺符合国家及军队有关产品质量管理规定,质量稳定,不得遗留质量问题。②经试验和部队试用,产品性能达到批准设计定型时的要求和实战需要。③生产与验收的各种图样、技术文件齐备。④配套设备及零部件、元器件、原材料、软件供货有保障。“教练-10”完成生产定型后,将很快进行批量生产,有望在3个月内实现批量生产型号的新机首飞。
教练机是培养飞行员的专用飞机。教练机分初级、中级和高级三大类,满足飞行学员循序渐进的训练要求。其中,高级教练机大多具有优良的特技飞行性能,还具有基本的武器和战术训练能力。随着歼-10、歼-11等第三代作战飞机的大批服役,以及未来第四代隐形战斗机的装备,中国空军的教练机急需与时俱进。洪都公司的“猎鹰”高级教练机是融合了多项最新航空技术的新一代教练机,采用双发双座,具有先进的气动布局、高度综合的航空电子系统、国内先进的电传控制系统和高密度的结构布局,具备第三代战斗机的大迎角机动飞行能力和高敏捷性。“教练-10”装备部队以后,中国航空兵飞机训练数量和技术上都非常滞后的情况将获得极大的改变。

  “猎鹰”的05架在2009年经过适量的调整试飞后与03架飞机一起进入鉴定试飞阶段,并在2009年完成了AJT状态基本型技术鉴定。AJT状态即高级教练型状态,这一状态配装两台非加力型涡扇发动机,AJT状态主要用于飞行学员在飞行学院的高级训练,有利于全面地提升飞行学员的能力素质和飞行技能,帮助他们掌握基本武器的使用和基本作战动作,进行部分战术训练,增强对未来训练任务的适应能力。根据超级大本营军事网获得的消息,中国军方采购的首批“教练-10”将采用两台非加力型涡扇发动机,而非此前传闻的加力型涡扇发动机。

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by the end of May 2013 for one day at 16 o'clock, Nanchang airport runway to upload a huge engine roar, followed, a blue and white painting advanced trainer, took off like a train has already left out of the line, head flew up into the sky, the ground broke into enthusiastic applause. Thus, the dream of countless people carrying L-15 "Falcon" advanced trainer to complete production models, will start mass production and equip Chinese air force, according to the military camp super network received the news, the Chinese military equipment, "Falcon" may be named "Coach -10" type advanced trainer, the first batch of "Coach -10" will be equipped with a training base east.
of new equipment production models is the quality and stability of small batch production conditions and to conduct a comprehensive assessment. Production models apply the standards and requirements are: ① with complete production conditions, production process and the military in line with national regulations on product quality, stable quality, shall be left to quality problems. ② After testing and troop trials, product performance to the approved design requirements and combat stereotypes when needed. ③ production and acceptance of the various drawings, technical documents are available. ④ ancillary equipment and spare parts, components, materials, software delivery is guaranteed. "Coach -10" after the completion of production models will soon be mass production, expected in three months to achieve mass production model of the new machine first flight.
trainer is to train pilots private aircraft. Trainer of beginner, intermediate and advanced three categories, progressive training student pilots to meet the requirements. Among them, the most advanced trainer with excellent aerobatic performance, but also with the basic weapons and tactical training capabilities. With the F-10, -11, etc. a large number of third-generation combat aircraft in service, as well as the future fourth-generation stealth fighter's equipment, the Chinese Air Force trainer urgent times. Hongdu company's "Falcon" advanced trainer is the integration of a number of the latest aviation technology generation trainer, using twin-seater, with advanced aerodynamic layout, highly integrated avionics systems, advanced control telex systems and high-density structure and layout, with the third-generation fighter capability and high angle of attack maneuvers high agility. "Coach -10" armed forces after the Chinese air force training aircraft number and technically very lags will be a great change.   "Falcon" of 05 in 2009 after appropriate adjustments test flights with 03 aircraft went into the identification of the flight test phase, and in 2009 completed the AJT state basic technical appraisal. AJT state that senior trainer state, this state equipped with two non-afterburning turbofan engine, AJT state is mainly used in the flight academy cadet advanced training, help to enhance the comprehensive ability and quality of student pilots and flying skills to help them grasp the basic use of weapons and basic combat action, partial tactical training, and enhance the ability to adapt to future training missions. According to the military headquarters of the super network received the news, China's first batch of military procurement "Coach -10" will feature two non-afterburning turbofan engine, rather than the previous rumors of afterburning turbofan engines.



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Production flight test work completed stereotypes "Falcon", significantly different from the past is that
the aircraft lifted "L-15" prototype vertical tail common digital numbers, the nose side was also not literal painting

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SteelBird

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

2013年6月29日傍晚时分,刚刚经历了一场强降雨的南昌开始放晴,天空出现了一道绚烂多彩的彩虹,十分壮观。18时许,南昌青云谱机场传来一阵欢快的轰鸣声,一架黄色出厂涂装的L-15“猎鹰”高级教练机昂首飞向刚刚放晴的天空,现场的中外嘉宾纷纷鼓掌祝贺。根据超级大本营军事网获得的消息,这架L-15“猎鹰”高级教练机进行的是出厂试飞,表示着2012年11月珠海航展期间签约的L-15“猎鹰”高级教练机正式开始了向非洲中南部某国的交付工作。另据超级大本营消息交付解放军航空兵的L-15已经获得“教练-10”的编号,在完成向海外用户的交付仪式后,“教练-10”的交付仪式也即将开始。

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Basically, it said Nanchang rolled down a yellow skin L-15 pre-delivery on 29-June-2013 and start delivering to Africa.
 

hardware

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

wonder if they going to introduce single seat version? JL-15 may possess bigger weapon load than Q-5.
 

rhino123

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

wonder if they going to introduce single seat version? JL-15 may possess bigger weapon load than Q-5.

Don't see the reason for doing that when the Chinese already have the JH-7/ JH-7A which was more suitable and designed specifically for that type of job of Q-5.
 
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