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[Jeff Head]

Re: Japan's military build-up

Hey, come on now; if the Americans' didn't supply the JMSDF with technology and ships...

Sorry you are not only under-estimating the Japanese you are mis-stating their capabilities.

The US does not supply Japan with any main line naval ships that I am aware of. Their AEGIS vessels are to their own design and not license builds. They do use the AEGIS system on those six ships, but their newer Akizuki DDG vessels along with the Hyuga Class and the new 22DDH carriers, use a FCS-3A dual band and mulit-mode radar and battle management system of their own, instead of the AN/SPY-1 AEGIS system.

The Akizuki, Takinami, Murasami, etc. class DDGs, along with the Hyuga and 22DDH carriers and the Osumi LPDs are all their own indigenous designs.

They also have their own missiles and torpedoes that they design and build themselves. For example they use their own:

Type 90 SSM instead of the Harpoon
Type07 VL-ASROC instead of the ASROC
HOS-33 Torpedoes instead of the Mk-46

etc., etc.

All have excellent capabilities and specs.

They do use F-15s, but also have their own high performance aircraft that they design like the Mitsubishi F-2...sort of like the Chinese use the SU-27s and SU-30s but also design and build their own. Check out their Kawasaki P-1 maritime aircraft they will replace their P-3Cs with, instead of buying and using the US P-8A Poseidon. It is a very capable aircraft.

You'd best take a harder look at the JMSDF. It is not a "American" force with Japanese markings. It is indeed a Japanese force, and a very good one.

 

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Re: Japan's military build-up

Sorry you are not only under-estimating the Japanese you are mis-stating their capabilities.

The US does not supply Japan with any main line naval ships that I am aware of. Their AEGIS vessels are to their own design and not license builds. They do use the AEGIS system on those six ships, but their newer Akizuki DDG vessels along with the Hyuga Class and the new 22DDH carriers, use a FCS-3A dual band and mulit-mode radar and battle management system of their own, instead of the AN/SPY-1 AEGIS system.

The Akizuki, Takinami, Murasami, etc. class DDGs, along with the Hyuga and 22DDH carriers and the Osumi LPDs are all their own indigenous designs.

They also have their own missiles and torpedoes that they design and build themselves. For example they use their own:

Type 90 SSM instead of the Harpoon
Type07 VL-ASROC instead of the ASROC
HOS-33 Torpedoes instead of the Mk-46

etc., etc.

All have excellent capabilities and specs.

They do use F-15s, but also have their own high performance aircraft that they design like the Mitsubishi F-2...sort of like the Chinese use the SU-27s and SU-30s but also design and build their own. Check out their Kawasaki P-1 maritime aircraft they will replace their P-3Cs with, instead of buying and using the US P-8A Poseidon. It is a very capable aircraft.

You'd best take a harder look at the JMSDF. It is not a "American" force with Japanese markings. It is indeed a Japanese force, and a very good one.

Yeah but how many much of it is 100% Japanese (even if it's borrow design or copy) and how much of it is US input technology? If Japan is that capable, than how come they don't have a man space program or even produce their own satellite navigation system?

 

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Re: Japanese Return to Militarism!

Morally superior? Firebombing and the use of nuclear weapon were intended for strategic targets and military/production installations, yes there were civilian casualties, but it was at a cost of a military strategic operation and to end the war as soon as possible to avoid further blood shed. What did the Japanese Kuandong Army do? they raped, pillaged, burned for no other reason than entertainment and fame. There was no military target, it got to the point where high commanding officers would compete in who would cut off most chinese heads in 1 day. This being said, I don't want to hear your crap about "we're not morally superior in this regard"

Don't even get me started with Unit 731

Don't forget the horror stories of the Japanese Chief surgeon who conducted live experiments on humans without any anesthesia.

 

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Re: Japan's military build-up

The opposite effect could happen - this is becoming obvious where Japan is concerned. By nature the present day Japanese people are relatively cultured, not vocal or easily put on a show of aggression - BUT don't push them to the limit and threaten the Nation's existence. Those knowing culture/history should realize this, UNLESS the country concerned wants hostility or War (for whatever reasons) with Japan. Most of us would know that Japan would be ready for any eventualities.

Whose pushing who? We just want the old cowardly right wing perpetrators to be exposed to the world for their wrong doings whose been hiding behind the US skirt for protection and saving face for too long.

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: Japan's military build-up

how come they don't have a man space program or even produce their own satellite navigation system?

Simple, equation, they do not need to.

There is absolutely no doubt that they could if they wanted, but why spend monies on something that is readily available to you from your closest ally?

Same thing with a nuclear deterrent. They have the capability and could do so in short order...in fact I would be very surprised if they did not, in secret, already have a stockpile of their own weapons just like Israel.

But, in the mean time, they do not need to openly do it because there is an umbrella over them from the U.S. and they provide a military buffer in terms of very effective ASW and maritime patrol, and a very stable and large trade partner in return.

 

[solarz]

Re: Japanese Return to Militarism!

Even if SK agrees to ditch US troops and the military aliance with the US, dont count on them to align with china against japan. I think it would be rather a neutral state in the NE asia, kinda like Áustria was during cold war.

Historically, there's a reason Korea is the first target of any Japanese invasion of the mainland. Geography hasn't changed, and neither has SK's distrust of Japan. I highly doubt a unified Korea can afford to stay neutral.

 

[montyp165]

Re: Japan's military build-up

I not going to a big deal about the thread title it's Popeye's privilege as Chief Moderator to do as he sees fit. But I chose the word Militarism since speakers in the video(via translators) used it and expressed those concerns and fears. Particularly the old Japanese man that was trying to educated japanese students on the folly and destruction that militarism can lead to.

For those of us that recall the concerns of many in the west of a reunified Germany in the 90's people asked the question of whether the possibility of fascism could rear it's ugly head again.

Like many in the US are concerned about Chinese military developments because the Chinese are not particular clear or transparent about it.(Part Sun Tzu on keeping military plans secret and very underdeveloped military to military relations with the US.)

Japan can go either way their path isn't set.

"those that fail to learn from mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them"

Not only that, the Japanese right-wing operates on the notion that if people pretend things never happened or acknowledge things then it didn't really happen, which is why arguments like Advill and Terran Empire make would be the criminal equivalent of assuming a murder didn't happen because there were no witnesses.

Sorry you are not only under-estimating the Japanese you are mis-stating their capabilities.

The US does not supply Japan with any main line naval ships that I am aware of. Their AEGIS vessels are to their own design and not license builds. They do use the AEGIS system on those six ships, but their newer Akizuki DDG vessels along with the Hyuga Class and the new 22DDH carriers, use a FCS-3A dual band and mulit-mode radar and battle management system of their own, instead of the AN/SPY-1 AEGIS system.

The Akizuki, Takinami, Murasami, etc. class DDGs, along with the Hyuga and 22DDH carriers and the Osumi LPDs are all their own indigenous designs.

They also have their own missiles and torpedoes that they design and build themselves. For example they use their own:

Type 90 SSM instead of the Harpoon
Type07 VL-ASROC instead of the ASROC
HOS-33 Torpedoes instead of the Mk-46

etc., etc.

All have excellent capabilities and specs.

They do use F-15s, but also have their own high performance aircraft that they design like the Mitsubishi F-2...sort of like the Chinese use the SU-27s and SU-30s but also design and build their own. Check out their Kawasaki P-1 maritime aircraft they will replace their P-3Cs with, instead of buying and using the US P-8A Poseidon. It is a very capable aircraft.

You'd best take a harder look at the JMSDF. It is not a "American" force with Japanese markings. It is indeed a Japanese force, and a very good one.

In many respects the JMSDF right now mirrors the IJN circa 1904 in terms of integrating foreign hardware into its forces (British units back then), but if the Japanese tried to repeat things with Russia now like back then, this time I'd say the Russians would still mop the floor with the Japanese. The JMSDF is like a traditional katana, a very sharp edge but very brittle, of which both the Russians and Chinese are well aware of, and thus take into their strategic calculations.

 

[thunderchief]

Re: Japan's military build-up

Most of the worst acts of history Andersonville, The Great Leap forward, population of Siberia, for example are good ideas that fail reality. The Holocaust was pure evil made reality. And those who forget it dismiss it or refute it leave the possibility of repeating it.

Yep , good ideas . The road to hell is paved with good intentions . BTW , Hitler also thought he is doing humanity a favor by eliminating Jews .

Morally superior? Firebombing and the use of nuclear weapon were intended for strategic targets and military/production installations, yes there were civilian casualties, but it was at a cost of a military strategic operation and to end the war as soon as possible to avoid further blood shed.

Strategic targets my foot . Objective of firebombings and nuclear bombings was pure and simple : to kill as many Germans and Japanese as possible and so force their respective countries to surrender . It didn't quite work with Germany , but it did work with Japan .

And yes , if you don't believe me read infamous Article 13 of Potsdam Declaration :

We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction.

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[TerraN_EmpirE]

Re: Japan's military build-up

Wow Wait a sec Did I Ever say The Japanese in the Second world War did not kill anyone? Did I ever Deny the Rape of Nanking? Did Anvil? No I said You cannot Hold the Descendants of those who did so responsible for actions of their Ancestors. Why because As Anvil pointed out once you start where do you stop?
If You hold the Japan of today to be responsible for the Crimes of a generation long dead. Then Europe Should Hold China responsible for the Crimes of Genghis Khan!


Everyone keeps trying to fight World war two over again but here is a thought Take a look at the population data. The Japanese PreWW2 had 73,114,308 people Post World war two 71,998,104
Todays 127,530,000 pretty big? In 1940 the adult population was 59.2% of the whole with 36.1% children. Today 63.7% military aged 13.2 Children and 23.1 over 65 years. they are OLD! little chance of Growth Part of the needs for a massive military expansion is popularity and population. JSDF tends to get the second stringers people who could not get the high paying job at Sony.
The PRC has a estimated population of 1,344,130,000. 73.4% are military aged with male 51.27%; female 48.73%. are you telling me that the Japanese with an Aging Population and a birth rate of .3% a GDP of 5.867 trillion USD a standing force of 247,746 is going to suddenly turn around explode overnight into a militaristic revolution and then pick a fight with a Nation that has a population over ten times it's size with a 7.318 trillion USD GDP and a standing army of 2,285,000 soldiers?

Leave the dead to their peace. They have earned it.

 

[thunderchief]

Re: Japan's military build-up

Same thing with a nuclear deterrent. They have the capability and could do so in short order...in fact I would be very surprised if they did not, in secret, already have a stockpile of their own weapons just like Israel.

Israel got their nukes from United States . Not necessarily complete device , but blueprints for sure . Otherwise , there is no way on God's green earth they could produce small enough and powerful enough weapons without tests , and there is no way such small country could perform tests without being detected .

On the other hand , Japan was never so close ally to US , nor was Japanese lobby so strong as Israeli to expect same treatment . Not to mention that Japan pursuing nuclear weapons would raise alarm in China , Russia , North Korea and probably even in the South Korea . It could go so far that they may unite to militarily confront Japan .