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escobar

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Vid showing Heiping filming LIU Wang entering TG-1 after a manual docking

[video=youtube;k3NPWlmQCIg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NPWlmQCIg[/video]

Wang Liu confirmed from the control panels of TG-1 that all systems are working well after manual docking.

[video=youtube;_NU8mfG3xkc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NU8mfG3xkc[/video]
 

escobar

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CCTV compared the automatic docking of June 18 and the manual docking of June 24 by superimposing the same camera views. We clearly see how Wang Liu flew the manual docking and the accuracy of manual docking appears to be superior to the automatic one in the final phase. One can also see the lateral compensation at contact is more important in the automatic docking.

[video=youtube;p__pWtcLMdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p__pWtcLMdc[/video]

Back into TG-1

[video=youtube;IaXG-C1FFZk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXG-C1FFZk[/video]
 
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AssassinsMace

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Yes I did notice too that the manual docking by looking at the aiming of the reticle was more on the mark than the automated one and probably irrelevant just as long it was within the reticle. I was thinking what spin are we going to hear about the flaws of Chinese space technology. This article just shows you can spin anything.

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Man Versus Machine on Shenzhou
by Morris Jones
Sydney, Australia (SPX) Jun 24, 2012

"Yes, this was a successful outcome, but it still wasn't perfect. It's true that automatic docking will always have the potential to outperform astronauts in some tasks. The final approach wasn't as steady and true as it could have been, even though it was eventually corrected."


The first attempt at a manual docking by a Chinese spacecraft has been a success, but it still raises issues to be explored. The Shenzhou 9 spacecraft successfully undocked from the Tiangong 1 space laboratory and withdrew a few hundred metres under automatic control.

After a short solo flight, Shenzhou 9 was slowly piloted towards Tiangong by astronaut Liu Wang. The docking was broadcast live on China Central Television, suggesting that China was fairly confident of a successful outcome.

China can be justifiably proud of this achievement. The mission of Shenzhou 9 has steadily generated a growing list of major achievements, but this has been the most complex.

Manual docking is probably the most risky and dangerous feat that can be attempted in human spaceflight, short of landing a spacecraft on a runway or the surface of an alien world. China got it right on the first attempt, with little evidence of trouble.

Yes, this was a successful outcome, but it still wasn't perfect. It's true that automatic docking will always have the potential to outperform astronauts in some tasks. The final approach wasn't as steady and true as it could have been, even though it was eventually corrected.

This suggests that the manual controls aren't quite as responsive as they should be. Or perhaps Liu wasn't quite at his best. Soon after the docking, this author also watched as Liu Yang, China's first woman astronaut, prodded Liu Wang on the thigh to draw his attention to a control panel. Liu Wang then reached out with a stick to push a button.

The nature of the display and the button were not visible on television, but it seems that Liu Wang wasn't quite keeping pace with events at a critical stage in the mission. This raises another question. Is Liu Wang suffering mildly from space sickness, and has this affected his performance?

China's official state media will probably give no clues. But the manual docking has highlighted the rivalry between man and machines in space. Automatic docking remains the preferred choice for the Chinese space program, with manual docking as a backup option when automatic systems fail.

There will be a need to practice more manual dockings in the future, but they will probably remain of secondary importance to automatic systems. So far, machines are winning this contest.
 

escobar

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Does anyone know how much the sz-9 mission costs? The Chinese space program (according to wiki) is only about a billion and from what iirc, one nasa shuttle missions costs upwards of a billion dollars.

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China has planned about 19 billion yuan (about 3 billion U.S. dollars) in budget for the country's space rendezvous and docking missions, a spokeswoman of China's manned space program said Sunday.

Wu Ping, a spokeswoman for China's manned space program, told a press conference that the budget will cover the ongoing Shenzhou-9 spacecraft manned space docking mission, the previous missions conducted by Shenzhou-7, Shenzhou-8 spaceships, as well as the mission to be carried out by the Shenzhou-10 spaceship next year.

Since starting the manned space missions in 1992, Wu said, the country has spent another 20 billion yuan in investment in manned space missions carried out by Shenzhou-6 and previous spaceships.
 

stardave

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CCTV just said SZ 1 to 10 + TG1 will cost total 39 billion RMB.

39 / 6.3644 = $6.12 billion USD

NASA 2011 budget = $18.724 billion USD

either China is extremely efficient or US is horribly wasteful.
 

broadsword

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I wish there is a picture or video of the platform to simulate the weightless environment of space. I'm curious to see how it's done and the Russians said it's the most advanced in the world.
 

Engineer

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I wish there is a picture or video of the platform to simulate the weightless environment of space. I'm curious to see how it's done and the Russians said it's the most advanced in the world.

Here is one of those platforms:
[video=youtube;dpK89N_oUDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpK89N_oUDY[/video]
 

hmmwv

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Yes I did notice too that the manual docking by looking at the aiming of the reticle was more on the mark than the automated one and probably irrelevant just as long it was within the reticle. I was thinking what spin are we going to hear about the flaws of Chinese space technology. This article just shows you can spin anything.
Well it seems to me that idiots are more likely to get a job as a report nowadays. The guy completely ignored the fact that the manual docking's final error is less than one degree off center, while the automatic docking tolerance is four degrees.

CCTV just said SZ 1 to 10 + TG1 will cost total 39 billion RMB.

39 / 6.3644 = $6.12 billion USD

NASA 2011 budget = $18.724 billion USD

either China is extremely efficient or US is horribly wasteful.

Yeah saw that news conference too, the total USD 6.12 billion figure is the total cost of 20 years of manned space program (921). China is extremely efficient and NASA is pretty bad with money.
 

escobar

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- It is believed that China will be able to train foreign astronauts with its own space technology and send them to space by Shenzhou spacecraft someday, the spokeswoman of China's manned space program said Sunday.

Wu Ping told a press conference in Beijing that she believed China's aerospace technology will become more and more mature along with the development of its manned space technology.

China has completed limited number of space missions and will continue to conduct numerous manned space technological tests, she said. According to the plan of China's manned space program, the country is still at the stage of making breakthroughs in fundamental manned space technologies, Wu said.

"China has undertaken active and pragmatic cooperation with Pakistan in the aerospace field," Wu said while answering a question from a Pakistan journalist.

The outer space is the common wealth of mankind, and it is the relentless pursuit of mankind to explore, develop and utilize the outer space, said Wu.

She said that China would like to cooperate and make exchanges with different nations around the world on the principles of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefits to push forward the further development of manned space undertakings.
 

escobar

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I think this is the first time that the control room of the TDRS, located inside the BACC, is presented to the public. In the main screen one can note that very large amounts of data are transmitted between the satellites and ships, the TDRS and the ground.

[video=youtube;4fn1wx6F21M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fn1wx6F21M[/video]
 
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