China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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RedMercury

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Resources like this forum and CDF are probably the best open source English accessible information sources about the Chinese military. I'm very surprised they have not been targeted for destruction by patriotic hackers. I'm also very surprised that mainland BBS do not block all foreign IPs.
 

Lion

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Resources like this forum and CDF are probably the best open source English accessible information sources about the Chinese military. I'm very surprised they have not been targeted for destruction by patriotic hackers. I'm also very surprised that mainland BBS do not block all foreign IPs.

CDF was attacked a few times, from Turkey and Israel source....

There was once which is so serious, it wiped out most of the old data including some old photo which contain rare footage.
 

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Four warships from Russia's Pacific Fleet, as well as its support vessels, warplanes, helicopters and naval infantry, left Vladivostok Sunday for a joint exercise with Chinese navy.

The Russian warships -- the guided missile cruiser Varyag and three large antisubmarine, Marshal Shaposhnikov, Admiral Panteleyev and Admiral Vinogradov -- are expected to arrive in China next Sunday for the exercise slated for April 22-27 in the Yellow Sea.

More than 20 Russian and Chinese warships and support vessels will be involved in the war game.

Since 2005, China and Russia have conducted several joint military exercises within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization
 

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In many fields of international competition, China is less sanguine about its abilities than outsiders. Chinese leaders often remind Westerners that China is a developing country, with hundreds of millions of people living in poverty, an unbalanced economy, and high social tensions. What should most worry Beijing, and provide some comfort to those who fear Chinese military expansionism, is the state of corruption in the People's Liberation Army (PLA).

True, the world underestimated how quickly a four-fold jump in Chinese military spending in the past decade would deliver an array of new weaponry to prevent the United States from interfering in a regional military conflict. Top American generals have worried publicly about "carrier-killer" ballistic missiles designed to destroy U.S. battle groups as far afield as the Philippines, Japan, and beyond. Last year, China tested a prototype stealth fighter and launched its maiden aircraft carrier, to augment new destroyers and nuclear submarines. What is unknown, however, is whether the Chinese military, an intensely secretive organisation only nominally accountable to civilian leaders, can develop the human software to effectively operate and integrate its new hardware.

Judging from a recent series of scathing speeches by one of the PLA's top generals, details of which were obtained by Foreign Policy, it can't: The institution is riddled with corruption and professional decay, compromised by ties of patronage, and asphyxiated by the ever-greater effort required to impose political control. The speeches, one in late December and the other in mid-February, were given by Gen. Liu Yuan, the son of a former president of China and one of the PLA's rising stars; the speeches and Liu's actions suggest that the PLA might be the site of the next major struggle for control of the Communist Party, of the type that recently brought down former Chongqing party boss Bo Xilai. Liu is the political commissar and the most powerful official of the PLA's General Logistics Department, which handles enormous contracts in land, housing, food, finance, and services for China's 2.3 million-strong military.

"No country can defeat China," Liu told about 600 officers in his department in unscripted comments to an enlarged party meeting on the afternoon of Dec. 29, according to sources who have verified notes of his speech. "Only our own corruption can destroy us and cause our armed forces to be defeated without fighting." This searing indictment of the state of China's armed forces, coming from an acting full three-star general inside the PLA, has no known modern precedent.

There is no way to independently verify Liu's withering assessment of the extent of corruption in the PLA, but he is well-positioned to make it. His professional experience includes a decade in the government of the central Chinese province of Henan and a decade in the paramilitary, taking him beyond narrow lines of command and patronage. His logistics department is integrated with all other arms of the Chinese military and his status as the descendant of a high-ranking leader, or princeling, enables privileged informal networks across military ranks and the civilian side of the party-state. Some Chinese and diplomatic PLA watchers believe Liu, the highest born of all the princelings now climbing into power, is on his way to the very top of China's military as a vice chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC) after the current leadership retires following this year's 18th Party Congress, the first large-scale transfer of power in a decade. It helps that he is a close friend of the princeling president-in-waiting, Xi Jinping.

While Chinese leaders regard the United States as a likely future adversary, Liu is more worried about what the PLA, which hasn't seen significant combat since a militarily disastrous invasion of Vietnam in 1979, is doing to itself in times of peace. In his February speech, he described the army beset by a disease of "malignant individualism" where officers follow only orders that suit them, advance on the strength of their connections, and openly sell their services at "clearly marked prices."
 
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RedMercury

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To sum up
1) source is anonymous rumor
2) gets facts wrong
3) draws extraordinary conclusion from one activist's rhetoric
4) ???
4) Profit!
 

montyp165

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To sum up
1) source is anonymous rumor
2) gets facts wrong
3) draws extraordinary conclusion from one activist's rhetoric
4) ???
4) Profit!

Precisely, it's the sort of thing that is used to reinforce western notions of being 'superior' to others even though their own corruption created stuff like the economic meltdown of 2007 to begin with...
 

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The two-day-long symposium on “the study on the history of the World War II and the logistic support of modern wars” was concluded on April 15, 2012 in Beijing. The symposium was jointly held by the headquarters of the General Logistics Department (GLD) of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and the Chinese Association for History of WWII.

At the symposium, the participants intensively studied the enlightenment from the logistics support experience gained from the World War II and recent local high-tech wars, carefully analyzed the new situations and new tasks of logistic support of the PLA’s future operations under information-based conditions, and explored the inherent law of accelerating transformation of combat effectiveness generation mode and enhancing logistic support capabilities, providing helpful reference for accelerating comprehensive construction of modern logistics.

Qin Yinhe, deputy director of the GLD, was present at the symposium. A total of more than 120 people including some retired senior leaders who fought in the War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression, and leaders, experts and scholars of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences and the Chinese Association for History of WWII attended the symposium.
 

Lion

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Precisely, it's the sort of thing that is used to reinforce western notions of being 'superior' to others even though their own corruption created stuff like the economic meltdown of 2007 to begin with...

Me too. Some bogus rumour. If PLA military procurement is so corrupted and rampant. You will be seeing china military export product much much more expensive than some counterpart. Even more expensive than Russian hardware. Any china military can never compete with foreign based on same level.
 

s002wjh

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Precisely, it's the sort of thing that is used to reinforce western notions of being 'superior' to others even though their own corruption created stuff like the economic meltdown of 2007 to begin with...

well there is no doubt there are alot corruptions in china. and i don't think PLA is not affect by it either. all you need to do is goto one of those chinese city near military base etc. found plently luxuary cars with military plates.
 

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Some European nations want the 20-year embargo on sales to China lifted. Their arguments are strong, but the arguments for not lifting it are stronger. Last month, I was in Sweden meeting with think tank and government officials. The main purpose of the visit was to discuss EU-U.S. policies toward Iran, especially the effectiveness of the international sanctions seeking to change Tehran’s nuclear policies. But some of my Swedish interlocutors, like other Europeans, also raised the issue of the ineffectiveness of the arms sanctions towards China as a reason for their skepticism regarding the Iranian sanctions...
 
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