Osama Bin Laden has been killed

mobydog

Junior Member
Let's stay away from the 9/11 conspiracy theories please.
Didn't the whole Ozama thing started with 9(11 ?

Questioning the official story does not mean it's a conspiracy theory. Especially if there are that many questionable holes. WTC7 is one of the key anomaly, where even the 9)11 commission officials tried to avoid it with 10 ft pole. Only much later that they tried to close it with a unconvincing reason that it went down on it's foot print because of "Thermal expansion"

Even now, many are questioning the official story of the death of Ozama. Is it then considered conspiracy theories for simply questioning ? You are aware that Iraqi has no Nukes right ? people questioning it then was also labelled "Conspiracy theorist" too.

I'll stop now.
 

Blitzo

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Registered Member
well it didn't stop you from having a sermon didn't it?


He is a frickin' bastard because you (and foreign policy of US) made him into one, if no one would give him attention he wouldn't be what he was.

And he is not a irrational bastard as we characturize him to be.
His whole modus operandi was to provoke an reaction, that is what terrorists DO.

by reacting to them like some people (including you) reacted to them you help them succeed in their goal.

and
Just ask yourself. what would Jesus (or Buddha, pick your favorite Diety) do in this situation? would the killing of a life cause them joy? or relief?

and to make your head hurt a bit more.
what is a terrorist anyways? before you answer that question, let's agree that whoever fits the definition would be qualify, regardless of your feelings? fair?

my definition is: people who deliberatly kill innocent civilians to make a point.

Ok,
how many civilians died in Bomber Harris's fire bombing of Dresden.
Or LeMay's firebombing of Tokyo.
They were trying to make a point you know. the whole premise of strategic bombing was based on killing civilians to make a point.

so how many lives... opps I should use the euphamism of "collateral damage".... does it one qualifies for that definition? in this age of precision strikes weapons and Blackwater security shot up cars full of family and kids?
how many? care to give me a number?

some body gotta ask these question, might as well be me.

Well said. While I think his death does make the world a slightly safer place he is not the new hitler by any means and history and media has meanwhile overlooked similarly worse acts of so called terrorism.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Well said. While I think his death does make the world a slightly safer place he is not the new hitler by any means and history and media has meanwhile overlooked similarly worse acts of so called terrorism.

Thanks. I thought the Monotone was maddening.
Hitler mustered the entire might of a modern industrial state at his disposal. Bin Laden does not. Bin Laden's entire power came from the reaction he provokes, so it is not in the interest of United States to over emphasis this one man. and react to his provokations.
The worst thing one can do is over emphasize the power this one guy welds, as if this entire phenomenon of anti-American, anti-Western radicalism was conjured up by one man. This was a wave of reaction, a blow back. he is just the Icon of the movement. It is just like trying to put out the 60s counter culture by arresting the beatles.

The Indian "Problem" didn't go away because Gernonimo was caught and converted to a Christian. the Indian "Problem" went away because there weren't that many Indians left, after decades of depravation and war.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
So we can only celebrate the death of Osama Bin Laden, but we can not lament on this occasion on the death of other human beings in History that brings context and perspective?

No, you may discuss what you wish with the parameters of the rules of this forum. This forum allows no politics. I tried to allow politics but naturally it deteriorated to perdition.

Perhaps my view of what is politics and what is not is somewhat different than most. I shall allow this thread to continue unabated.

I can not help but to be amused that this air of intolerance of any other expression other than monotonous joy for the death of my enemy prevails on this momentous occasion.

Persons that have different views with the exception of one have been allowed to express their opinion no matter how wrong they are.

We each have our views on what is going on the World. We each are entitled to to express his or her own opinion. Express you own opinions. Within the parameters of the rules.

Some members hatred of the west and the US is very transparent and disturbing. I for one hate no one on this planet.

Just ask yourself. what would Jesus do in this situation? would the killing of a life cause them joy? or relief?

No Jesus would be sad. Because believe it or not we are all his children and he loves us all.
 

KingLouis

Junior Member
The whole thing about navy seals make the operation like a video game. Will some one design a game on Bin Laden's death.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
What's probably sure is Bin Laden is dead and the Navy seals did their job like clockwork. What I question is everything being reported in the media. Smells just like Jessica Lynch where everything is like a Hollywood action movie. The story out there sounds like it was leaked by the Pentagon and the media blows it up with melodrama just what happened with Jessica Lynch.

What's suspicious with the story out there? So many things. At first the media says the Seals were there a total 40 minutes. A 5 minute firefight against 2-3 men and the rest of the time was gathering intelligence. Then you hear it was a firefight all the way in and out for the forty minutes. Did the media make it into a Hollywood movie here? Why? Because 40(?) Seals in a fire fight with 2-3 couriers and maybe Bin Laden for 40 minutes. Does anyone see something wrong with that? I watched one of the US morning news shows interviewing a former Seal that was involved in the situation portrayed in the movie Black Hawk Down. He said any situation like that where a firefight lasts more than 3-4 minutes is too long. You can see he saw something wrong with the reported 40 minute firefight all the way through. What are they going to do now? Up the number of terrorists in the house? But then that will counter the media scathing Pakistan reporting of how Bin Laden felt so comfortably safe in the hands of his Pakistani caretakers he didn't feel the need for more protection. If Bin Laden felt so comfortable why did he need so high of walls that he couldn't be seen from the outside if he decided to get some fresh air? They say he had his own landing zone on the premises. Is a high wall and barbed wire going to stop special forces when they have helicopters and a landing zone behind the walls. "A mansion where he could live out his life of luxury?" I've seen better accomodations at a Motel 6. The place looks like any runned down business in a bad neighborhood. That's just what new confusions the media have put out today aside from the many contradictions initially reported. I'm sure more will come and the real story will come out later like with Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman. But the only difference here is the positive outcome overall unless some big bombshell explodes.
 
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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
What's probably sure is Bin Laden is dead and the Navy seals did their job like clockwork.

I agree!

Thank you Assassins Mace! great post.. the latest spin on what happen.

There seems to be more than two or three gunman on OBL side and his wife was wounded not killed. I swear this morning ABC news stated 22 persons were killed.

Hours after a team of U.S. Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden in a secret raid on his compound in Pakistan, President Barack Obama went on television to tell the nation about the triumph.

"Justice has been done," the president said.

Americans have been absorbing the world-changing news ever since, and several briefings by Obama national security officials from the White House, Defense Department, and CIA have followed. But some of the details have proven inaccurate and were later corrected, as Politico's Josh Gerstein noted.

For instance, White House spokesperson Jay Carney said Tuesday that--contrary to earlier officials' descriptions of a firefight between the Al Qaeda mastermind and U.S. forces--bin Laden didn't have a weapon during the Sunday raid. Bin Laden "was not armed," Carney said at the White House press briefing Tuesday. He was shot and killed after his wife "rushed the U.S. assaulter." You can watch Carney's exchange with the White House press corps in the video above.

Earlier, White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, in a press conference Monday, said that bin Laden's wife had been killed after she was positioned as a human shield to protect bin Laden in the confrontation. Officials are now saying, however, that bin Laden's wife was injured (shot in the leg) but not killed, and that it was a separate woman who was killed by cross-fire during the forty-minute operation.

"Bin Laden died; the two al Qaeda facilitators--the brothers, who were--the courier and his brother in the compound; bin Laden's son Hamza; and the woman, presumed to be his wife, who was shielding bin Laden," Brennan said.

Asked by a reporter if bin Laden's wife was used as a shield for bin Laden, Brennan hesitated:

"I wasn't there so I hesitate to say," he said.

"But she was in front of him?" a reporter asked.

"But it was an effort to try to shield bin Laden from the ... " Brennan said, not completing the sentence, but presumably referencing the Navy SEALs then closing in on the terrorist leader.

Later in the press conference, Brennan was asked again if the woman killed was bin Laden's wife.

"That's my understanding. It was one of them," he responded.

"And he was using her as a shield?" the reporter, ABC's Jake Tapper, asked.

"She served as a shield. Again, this is my understanding--and we're still getting the reports of exactly what happened at particular moments--that when--she fought back; when there was the opportunity to get to bin Laden, she was positioned in a way that indicated that she was being used as a shield," Brennan said. "Whether or not bin Laden or the son, or whatever, put her there, or she put herself there, but, yes, that's again, my understanding that she met her demise, and my understanding is that she was one of bin Laden's wives."

A U.S. official told The Envoy Tuesday, on condition of anonymity, that Bin Laden's injured wife was left at the compound by the U.S. team. Another woman, who has not been publicly identified, was killed in the raid, the official said.

(Indeed, the New York Times reported that one of bin Laden's wives actually identified bin Laden. A former senior U.S. intelligence official told the Times it was his understanding that it was the wife shot in the leg at the scene who identified bin Laden. She was later left at the compound with several other women and children.)

U.S. officials explained the mix-up as hardly unexpected in the early aftermath of such a high-tempo operation.

"Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up," a U.S. official told Politico's Gerstein. "This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed."

In total, the U.S. official said Tuesday, five people were killed in the raid: Bin Laden, his adult son, the Al Qaeda courier, the courier's brother, and an adult female — "not [bin Laden's] wife."

Ambiguity still surrounds the key break in the effort to track bin Laden down--the al Qaeda courier U.S. officials monitored and followed to the Abbottabad compound. The Associated Press reported Monday the man in question was a Kuwaiti-born Pakistani who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti; the CIA later determined that his actual name was Sheikh Abu Ahmed, the AP reported.

But there are some suggestions that the courier's name and identity may be provisional too. Earlier reports suggested that Abd al-Khaliq Jan was the identity of the courier in question.
 

MwRYum

Major
While they lost a Blackhawk it didn't stop the Navy SEALs from carry out the mission almost textbook perfect. This can be good recruitment material for the Navy, if not just the SEALs.

More candidates for the next Hell Week maybe?
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
U.S. preparing to release photographs of OBL's corpse.

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"U.S. officials describe the photos as "gruesome" and "graphic."
They reportedly show Osama bin Laden’s bloodied body in an Afghan hangar with a massive head wound above his left eye from the shot that had killed him earlier in the day.
The accompanying video is less gory, officials say, but may be just as inflammatory. It allegedly shows bin Laden’s lifeless body draped in a white shroud before it is placed in a weighted bag and deposited into the North Arabian Sea from the deck of the USS Carl Vinson............."
 
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