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Totoro

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Does the newest configuration of wz10 have a missile approach warning sensor? If so, can anyone point them out on the imageS?
 

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Does the newest configuration of wz10 have a missile approach warning sensor? If so, can anyone point them out on the imageS?

I'm quite sure there are -- there was that big picture of a wZ-10 and all the labels pointing out the avionics and such on them... I'll try to find it again.
 

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Bingo!

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I believe the MAWS are labelled as "A"... and the most of the others are kind of self explanatory, with the pilots/gunners electro optics, laser warning system, IR jammer, various datalinks and satnav type bits and pieces... The helicopter really does look quite professionally made, with a good finish and looking combat ready, with all the sensors and such jutting out.
 
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Hmmmm... they really intend to field this thing as a gunship and yet have the engine exhausts blowing out sideways....???!!!

What's the point of having a radar-stealthy fuselage while announcing yourself to the world with all that hot air blowing out your sides?

What's the chance of evading a heat-seeking MANPADS or AAM (providing the MAWS works in time!) in a helicopter?

Do they think the main rotor's downwash is sufficient to weaken and disperse the IR signal from the engines?

Maybe so... and maybe we shall all find out once this baby goes into combat.

If NOT they better practice their ejections.
 

Asymptote

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Hmmmm... they really intend to field this thing as a gunship and yet have the engine exhausts blowing out sideways....???!!!

What's the point of having a radar-stealthy fuselage while announcing yourself to the world with all that hot air blowing out your sides?

What's the chance of evading a heat-seeking MANPADS or AAM (providing the MAWS works in time!) in a helicopter?

Do they think the main rotor's downwash is sufficient to weaken and disperse the IR signal from the engines?

Maybe so... and maybe we shall all find out once this baby goes into combat.

If NOT they better practice their ejections.


Yeh, that engine exhaust looks horrible, worst possible design ever!
Why would they want to design the exhaust that way really is beyond me. I just don't get it.
They got a perfectly good engine exhaust design on the Z-19, why not just take that design and put it on WZ-10?
 
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Yeh, that engine exhaust looks horrible, worst possible design ever!
Why would they want to design the exhaust that way really is beyond me. I just don't get it.
They got a perfectly good engine exhaust design on the Z-19, why not just take that design and put it on WZ-10?

Honestly: Look is not everything ! I'm sure these guys at Changhe do know their job quite well (surely better than me !)

And again if You look at the development of the Z-10 there were actually different exhaust configuratins facing to the side, on to ... and now again to the ride.

Maybe they encountered some problems with the upward facing configuration or this design helps to divert the exhaust better thru the downwash of the rotor ... I don't know, but it's surely not a design chosen because of stupidity of the designers or to make us angry.

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Honestly: Look is not everything ! I'm sure these guys at Changhe do know their job quite well (surely better than me !)

And again if You look at the development of the Z-10 there were actually different exhaust configuratins facing to the side, on to ... and now again to the ride.

Maybe they encountered some problems with the upward facing configuration or this design helps to divert the exhaust better thru the downwash of the rotor ... I don't know, but it's surely not a design chosen because of stupidity of the designers or to make us angry.

Deino

I agree. Since Z-19 has its exhaust facing up, we know that they do understand the advantage of having the exhaust facing up. As to why Z-10 is different, there might be benefits of this design that we don't know about.
 

johnqh

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I agree. Since Z-19 has its exhaust facing up, we know that they do understand the advantage of having the exhaust facing up. As to why Z-10 is different, there might be benefits of this design that we don't know about.

Very simple explanation.

Having the exhaust facing up generate a downward trust. Z-10 is a heavy helo and the production model uses Chinese engine. The engine doesn't have as much power as the Canadian one, to the point that the little download trust from the exhaust would have a performance (or weapon carrying ability) penalty.

Z-19 is a lighter helo. We don't know what engine it uses. At least, right now the engine is not a problem. This may change too when it goes into production phase.
 

Asymptote

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Very simple explanation.

Having the exhaust facing up generate a downward trust. Z-10 is a heavy helo and the production model uses Chinese engine. The engine doesn't have as much power as the Canadian one, to the point that the little download trust from the exhaust would have a performance (or weapon carrying ability) penalty.

Z-19 is a lighter helo. We don't know what engine it uses. At least, right now the engine is not a problem. This may change too when it goes into production phase.

Really? the exhaust would cause that much downward thrust on the whole chopper?! .. I am assuming the helicopter exhaust is more like the car exhaust.
 

johnqh

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Really? the exhaust would cause that much downward thrust on the whole chopper?! .. I am assuming the helicopter exhaust is more like the car exhaust.

Take a look at MD-520N helo. It actually uses the exhaust to replace the rear rotor.

So, yeah, it is significant enough.
 
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