J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

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siegecrossbow

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Is the Top Gun sequel still coming? If they use the F-35C in that movie then there is a good chance that the J-20 might get to play antagonist. It even has the black paintwork!
 

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Is the Top Gun sequel still coming? If they use the F-35C in that movie then there is a good chance that the J-20 might get to play antagonist. It even has the black paintwork!

Even if there is a sequel coming , it will be years away and will be focused on unmanned aircraft. I dont think they will include j-20.

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AssassinsMace

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Then I say there will be no Top Gun sequel in that sense. How boring of a movie where it's all unmanned fighters. Plus back in the 80s they got away with using F-5s and models for advanced Migs. Today even with CGI they wouldn't be able to get away with it. The only way is to actually get footage of the T-50 or J-20. But how likely is that going to happen?
 

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Well of course a lot of factors play in. But the fact is that one of the most important defensive features of that plane, its stealth, was compromised by having its bomb bay open. Although one can blaim bad luck for the shootdown, stealth could have saved it.
Of course there are 'factors' in every situation. The question is how weight for each 'factor' compare to the others that will produce an outcome. The F-117 does not carry the same amount of individual bombs as a WW II B-17, hence it does not need its bomb bay doors hanging open for minutes in order to provide any air defense radar time to create a statistical analysis of a target. But even if this few seconds is sufficient, then whatever it was that the Serbs did should have been one hundred times more effective against 'non-stealth' aircrafts. In the end, out of the entire air campaign, one F-16 and one F-117 was lost. That is a sorry air defense combat record. The Serbs got lucky with their 'spray and pray' tactic, nothing more.
 

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Then I say there will be no Top Gun sequel in that sense. How boring of a movie where it's all unmanned fighters. Plus back in the 80s they got away with using F-5s and models for advanced Migs. Today even with CGI they wouldn't be able to get away with it. The only way is to actually get footage of the T-50 or J-20. But how likely is that going to happen?

They'd also have to change the story forumla a lot from the original -- there's no one dominant foe like the Cold War, where there were constant encounters between Soviet and American aircraft.

The only possible combat scenario is against a fictional third world state, with old Migs but how boring would that be -- seeing Superhornets or F-35Cs or what not BVRAAM them without a real dogfight?


I doubt the Top gun sequel will feature air to air UCAVs. Unless it gets postponed a further four decades, then maybe there's a chance.
 

AssassinsMace

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They'd also have to change the story forumla a lot from the original -- there's no one dominant foe like the Cold War, where there were constant encounters between Soviet and American aircraft.

The only possible combat scenario is against a fictional third world state, with old Migs but how boring would that be -- seeing Superhornets or F-35Cs or what not BVRAAM them without a real dogfight?


I doubt the Top gun sequel will feature air to air UCAVs. Unless it gets postponed a further four decades, then maybe there's a chance.

The irony is wasn't Top Gun all about getting back to dogfighting? The era of stealth has gotten back on being dependent on missiles. So if they followed the same theme, the story would have to make it an F-18 against a stealth fighter.
 

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The irony is wasn't Top Gun all about getting back to dogfighting? The era of stealth has gotten back on being dependent on missiles. So if they followed the same theme, the story would have to make it an F-18 against a stealth fighter.

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I'm quite a fan of the film, but they could very well place the current USN fighter inventory against fighter aircraft from one of their allies -- I think the Germans still operate Mig-29s and maybe Malaysia could loan a couple of their flankers?
I also think a private US company procured two former Soviet Su-27s and refit them for flying condition for Dissimilar Air combat...

They could easily write the story so fighters on both sides escape the initial BVR battle and go into close quarters but I'm getting ahead of myself.

Without a staple enemy and enemy plane, any Top Gun sequel won't be made.
 

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I would not place too much stock in that article. The author is implying that the USAF is reacting to the J-20 by upgrading the F-15 with new radars that could detect 'stealth'. He does not know what he is talking about. If we can react to a potential threat in several weeks with a new countermeasure, why not build and install that capability to start?

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The author is implying that all this time, the F-15 has been equipped with an antenna smaller that it could have been. Absurd. The fact that antenna/array dimensions affect radar effective range and target resolutions is not new. All fighters have been equipped with antennas as large as its radome could allow. This upgrade is in no way a guarantee that an F-117, let alone an F-22, could be detected.

Now this is just great. it means a superior detection system being implemnted into an aircraft with no stealth capabilities. I am sure by capturing one can turn the tide against the Americans. Apparently the F-22 runs into problem after flying for 1.7 hours and per hour of flight it will require at least 12 hours of maintenance time for it to be operable again? Can someone please confirm this?
 
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bladerunner

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I'm quite a fan of the film, but they could very well place the current USN fighter inventory against fighter aircraft from one of their allies -- I think the Germans still operate Mig-29s and maybe Malaysia could loan a couple of their flankers?
I also think a private US company procured two former Soviet Su-27s and refit them for flying condition for Dissimilar Air combat...

They could easily write the story so fighters on both sides escape the initial BVR battle and go into close quarters but I'm getting ahead of myself.

Without a staple enemy and enemy plane, any Top Gun sequel won't be made.

Hmmm all this talk about we can counter with this if they do that , talk is all for public consumption. I wonder if those generals have a simulated projection based on various scenarios. THe last time the two countries airforces faced off for real they were pretty much on par with what they flew and the kill ratio was 10/1 in favour of US. I wonder if anyone could come up with a computer model to see what it might be like now as the two sides are approching a kind of parity again.
 
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