J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

[vesicles]

Do we have a way to finally confirm they got 2 prototypes? I think someone brought up the point that no one has seen two planes together. It's always one or the other. So is there a way to find out that there are 2 planes with different engines?

 

[Maggern]

Courtesy of RAJ47 from CDF

According to that image, it is 19-20m long and 14-15m wide. (roughly)

 

[siegecrossbow]

^^ The satellite picture might not be real. I don't think that google earth updates photos that fast.

 

[Maggern]

^^ The satellite picture might not be real. I don't think that google earth updates photos that fast.

It's not in google earth itself. However, this might be a satellite picture imported into GE and obtained from somewhere else. It is surely possible, people do that all the time with other areas. I imported it into GE to check the dimensions. Everything around the plane corresponds to the GE image, though with a few changes here and there (which is acceptable, as GE's image is over two years old)

If it's fake, I must congratulate the perpetrator. The dimensions of the K-8 and the J-10 are perfect. THere are none of those planes in the GE imagery. Lots of cars and activity has been added. And improvements to the airfield itself have seemingly been added. And seemingly a few changes to the infrastructure surrounding the airfield.

My point is: If it was fake, surely they'd just PS in a J-20 picture onto existing imagery.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Do we have a way to finally confirm they got 2 prototypes? I think someone brought up the point that no one has seen two planes together. It's always one or the other. So is there a way to find out that there are 2 planes with different engines?

Well during one of the flight attempts someone giving live updates mentioned that he saw the two prototypes and both had the same number. And this was before the new engine was spotted. Given that the facts afterwards and we've seen two different engine types, it would be safe to assume there are two prototypes. Also it has been noted the differences that some small parts that weren't painted on one was painted over on the other.

 

[siegecrossbow]

It's not in google earth itself. However, this might be a satellite picture imported into GE and obtained from somewhere else. It is surely possible, people do that all the time with other areas. I imported it into GE to check the dimensions. Everything around the plane corresponds to the GE image, though with a few changes here and there (which is acceptable, as GE's image is over two years old)

If it's fake, I must congratulate the perpetrator. The dimensions of the K-8 and the J-10 are perfect. THere are none of those planes in the GE imagery. Lots of cars and activity has been added. And improvements to the airfield itself have seemingly been added. And seemingly a few changes to the infrastructure surrounding the airfield.

My point is: If it was fake, surely they'd just edit in a J-20 picture onto existing imagery.

Well if the picture is, in fact, real, I'd say that the J-20 is a bit smaller than we thought it was. Instead of being 23 meters long it is only about 19-20 meters long, slightly longer than the Raptor and Pak-Fa.

 

[Maggern]

Well if the picture is, in fact, real, I'd say that the J-20 is a bit smaller than we thought it was. Instead of being 23 meters long it is only about 19-20 meters long, slightly longer than the Raptor and Pak-Fa.

Indeed. There might be problems of perspective in the truck-comparison pictures we've seen. Nothing major, but enough to add a metre or two. Plus you're bound to have some discrepancy when you use something small to measure something big. 23m was anyway I think the guess of some outsider analysts. The truck-comparison pictures guessed 21-22m iirc. Apparently, it's even shorter.

 

[bladerunner]

However, some experts (such as Richard Fisher), believe that the J-20 will be the equal of the F-22 in 10 to 15 years.

I take it that the "Gee Whizz" stuff in the F-22 is so far ahead of anything else that it won't need upgrading?
Nor was there any comparison made with the F35

 

[Asymptote]

No, F-22 has a single weapons bay in the center which is wide, not long... (EDIT: Well alright, I can understand what you mean by long -- but in the realm of 5th generation aircraft weapon bays, the F-22's would be considered wide rather than long. The T-50's weapon bays would be considered "long")

There are two doors for the main bay but it's still considered one, not two.

J-20 probably has a bay similar to the F-22's but could be a bit longer --regardlses we haven't got pictures of it yet. And having an internal payload in the F-35 realm isn't exactly something to brag about -- as of now they can only hold half the AA missile load of the F-22.

Actually, if you look closely, F-22 has THREE WEAPON BAYS . One in the center (the largest one) and TWO on the side.



F-22 Firing Missile from Side Weapon Bay

F-22 weapons carriage arrangements

Notice the "Side Bays" is capable of carrying 2 x AIM-9M.

 

[MwRYum]

I take it that the "Gee Whizz" stuff in the F-22 is so far ahead of anything else that it won't need upgrading?
Nor was there any comparison made with the F35

F-22 is still the Bugatti Veryon and nothing come close, so until T-50 and/or J-20 materialized into actual combat unit, good luck in shaking more budget from the Congress.