Artificial Intelligence thread

Michael90

Senior Member
Registered Member
What kind of security are you talking about?

Political speech security? Yeah, they do care a lot about AI not saying stuff about Chinese politics. And they do control for that heavily.


But cyber security? Thats BS. If AI can find find vulnerabilities in code, it can also fix it. Why would you want to limit power of AI if it can help you find bugs?

Again, as I said, US is overhyping AI as some magical tech and trying portray them being on top once again.

China doesn't believe in that and is fine to diffuse AI technology
Agree, I fail to understand why some people want to believe otherwise . Seems it just soothes their mind to want to believe that the Chinese government is hiding a top secret super advanced AI model that nobody has access to . lol. Guess makes some feel better .
chinas AI model is different from the US, I might actually be the US government will want to do something like that with AI , not China
 

iewgnem

Captain
Registered Member
What kind of security are you talking about?

Political speech security? Yeah, they do care a lot about AI not saying stuff about Chinese politics. And they do control for that heavily.


But cyber security? Thats BS. If AI can find find vulnerabilities in code, it can also fix it. Why would you want to limit power of AI if it can help you find bugs?

Again, as I said, US is overhyping AI as some magical tech and trying portray them being on top once again.

China doesn't believe in that and is fine to diffuse AI technology
I'm all in agreement about China being benovolent and sharing frontier AI with the world, but just like Chinese satellites arent really all for crop health monitoring, and MSS doesnt only do desk jobs in Beijing, China is neither innocent nor have fantasies about nature of geopolitics.

Releasing SOTA models open weight will, at the minimum, allow American institutions to test their defenses against Chinese cyberattacks and their backdoors against discovery by Chinese defenders, and do everything behind an air gap by self hosting it on their datacenters.

So at the very least, just for defense, Beijing will need an AI tool thats not accessable to advasaries and cant be pre-neutralized by said adversary in a future attack.

Whatever model Beijing is using to secure its own code base, and Beijing is 100% using these tools to do so, its not going to be a model that US can study and test against.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Brigadier
Registered Member
Not necessary, in fact is likely that could add additional vulnerabilities that to the shear code size humans will overlook them.
it could require human supervision to make sure is patched properly. These models are NOT conscious, they don't have nuance. They just mimic human language and they do it really well

View attachment 178330
They've always been stochastic parrots. Now "agents" are stochastic parrots with root and a credit card.
 

Almond98

New Member
Registered Member
Agree, I fail to understand why some people want to believe otherwise . Seems it just soothes their mind to want to believe that the Chinese government is hiding a top secret super advanced AI model that nobody has access to . lol. Guess makes some feel better .
chinas AI model is different from the US, I might actually be the US government will want to do something like that with AI , not China
Why are you so confident that they are not hiding advanced ai model? Im not saying they have very advanced ai model. Its just feel like meaningless argument since we cant confidently say whether they have or not.
 

iewgnem

Captain
Registered Member
Why are you so confident that they are not hiding advanced ai model? Im not saying they have very advanced ai model. Its just feel like meaningless argument since we cant confidently say whether they have or not.
I think we can actually pretty confidently say if MSS is using AI to secure China's national security infrastructure, they're not going to use a tool that America has open unrestricted access to. China's not going to let Americans test if their back door can successfully cover its tracks from Chinese code audit.

This whole discussion is pretty insane IMO, because in which other instance would the idea that Chinese government do not open source tool they use for auditing national security infrastructure be even up for debate.
 

tokenanalyst

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Why are you so confident that they are not hiding advanced ai model? Im not saying they have very advanced ai model. Its just feel like meaningless argument since we cant confidently say whether they have or not.
I think they have multi-trillion parameters models trained for specific domestic applications, running on government or military private networks.
 

sunnymaxi

Colonel
Registered Member
Weekly token share of Chinese models used by US firms.

Image


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

tamsen_ikard

Captain
Registered Member
I think they have multi-trillion parameters models trained for specific domestic applications, running on government or military private networks.
You overestimate chinese govt too much. No one except the chinese AI startups have the talent and knowledge to train a model with trillion parameters, especially this fast. AI is changing too fast for lumbering state institutions to keep up.

And those AI startups dont have the bandwidth to keep up with US SOTA and develop completely hidden trillion parameter models.

Even US govt do not have hidden trillion parameter model. They r also completely reliant on whatever US startups can develop.
 

bsdnf

Senior Member
Registered Member
I think they have multi-trillion parameters models trained for specific domestic applications, running on government or military private networks.
Government departments and state-owned enterprises are most actively deploying LLM locally for paperwork processing.

In my view, they have neither the capability nor the willingness to do this. LLM has advanced too rapidly; they prefer to reap the benefits without contributing anything
 
Top