J-20... The New Generation Fighter

[dingyibvs]

Re: New Generation Fighter

After reading the cjdby, some witness says that the wing is "W shaped"(anybody know what that means? Lambda wings?) and that the engine looks like the TH.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Re: New Generation Fighter

After reading the cjdby, some witness says that the wing is "W shaped"(anybody know what that means? Lambda wings?) and that the engine looks like the TH.

It means it's not delta wings exactly. It's like portrayed in more recent art where it's "w" shaped. Like the B-2 bomber I believe.

 

[airsuperiority]

Re: New Generation Fighter

If that frontal shot is real... that is looking good. Very cheeky. Just imagine if they painted a mouth with fangs and the adjustable DSI like mentioned in that interview I posted a while back. The J-XX up your six with a big growing grin coming at you from behind...

someone's gonna get raped from behind, literally

 

[SampanViking]

Re: New Generation Fighter

I do find myself wondering as to the role of this aircraft as it does seem rather large. My anticipation has always been for a small stealthy interceptor, primarily intended to start replacing the massive J7 fleets and also to provide a "relatively" low cost export solution.

Not quite sure if this baby fits that description and wondered if anyone here has any thoughts?

 

[Subedei]

Re: New Generation Fighter

I'm quite excited!

When this platform is fully operational -and, I'm betting that will be in 5 short years, and not 8 long years, it will be the first time in almost 3 centuries that a major Chinese miliatry platform is either technologically equal, or surperior to, those of European nations. With the budgetary constraints currently limiting European military spending, I doubt that either Saab, Dassault, or: Alenia Aeronautica; BAE Systems; and EADS (together as Eurofighter), or even ALL of these together, will be able to develop -and produce- an aircraft at the levels of sophistication that the USA, Russia, and now China, are now putting into production.

Could we be witnessing the awakening of the sleeping tiger?

So, now, is this only the larger twin-engined next generation fighter, and are we to expect another single-engined version as well?

 

[MwRYum]

Re: New Generation Fighter

I do find myself wondering as to the role of this aircraft as it does seem rather large. My anticipation has always been for a small stealthy interceptor, primarily intended to start replacing the massive J7 fleets and also to provide a "relatively" low cost export solution.

Not quite sure if this baby fits that description and wondered if anyone here has any thoughts?

If you're talking about multirole and internal weapons bay, small would not be in the solution; plus Chinese still have some catchup to do in the engine department, there's just some physical limitations they can't bypass unless they willing to settle for something that's a waste of money.

So yes it's rather large but still within sensible margin.

And J-7's replacement would be J-10, J-8 by J-11B. If they managed to get decent strike capability into this new baby, strike bomber regiments equipping JH-7 can swap for this, turn them into multirole fighter regiments maybe?

 

[Subedei]

Re: New Generation Fighter

My anticipation has always been for a small stealthy interceptor, primarily intended to start replacing the massive J7 fleets and also to provide a "relatively" low cost export solution.

Not quite sure if this baby fits that description and wondered if anyone here has any thoughts?

Could it be that the Chinese, like the USA and the Russians, are introducing their larger platform first?

 

[GreenestGDP]

Re: New Generation Fighter

Chinese BBS report that there was a high speed taxi trial today, during which the aircraft raised its head and then released the parachute. The raising the head part is very significant as it offers valuable data for determining the aircraft's aerodynamic performance, which may be compared with simulation data and allow for more accurate simulation models to predict actual take off and landing performances. I expect some data crunching in the next few days and unless something's wrong, a first flight should follow very shortly after!

J-20 Accurate Aerodynamic Simulations and Data Crunching for Design Modifications
will be perfect applications to run on the fastest Supercomputer on Earth (TIAN-HE-1A).

Having Supercomputers the caliber of (TIAN-HE-1A) around will reduce the development and deployment time for J-20.

 

[70092]

Re: New Generation Fighter

There will be a twin-engine heavy stealth fighter-bomber become avaiable for taxi-test/maiden flight around the middle of 2011.

That fighter-bomber is developed at SAC, not CAC, and expected to be even larger than J-20, so not a middle-weight fighter. I dont think currently there is another single-engine 5th generation fighter programme running in China, well, of cause, besides unmanned aircrafts.

Actually, due to the arrangement of internal weapon bay, there may be of little point to develop single-engine middle weighted stealth fighter/strikers, etc.

 

[Roger604]

Re: New Generation Fighter

I do find myself wondering as to the role of this aircraft as it does seem rather large. My anticipation has always been for a small stealthy interceptor, primarily intended to start replacing the massive J7 fleets and also to provide a "relatively" low cost export solution.

Not quite sure if this baby fits that description and wondered if anyone here has any thoughts?

Swarms of short-range point defense fighters are for weak countries trying to defend themselves against a stronger foe. PRC against Soviet Union during the Cold War fits this description.

Strong countries prefer large long-range platforms. Clearly China is thinking in the right direction.

I'm quite excited!

When this platform is fully operational -and, I'm betting that will be in 5 short years, and not 8 long years, it will be the first time in almost 3 centuries that a major Chinese miliatry platform is either technologically equal, or surperior to, those of European nations. With the budgetary constraints currently limiting European military spending, I doubt that either Saab, Dassault, or: Alenia Aeronautica; BAE Systems; and EADS (together as Eurofighter), or even ALL of these together, will be able to develop -and produce- an aircraft at the levels of sophistication that the USA, Russia, and now China, are now putting into production.

Could we be witnessing the awakening of the sleeping tiger?

So, now, is this only the larger twin-engined next generation fighter, and are we to expect another single-engined version as well?

I don't think China has been technologically superior to the West since the early days of gunpowder, Chinese age of sail, cannons and fire lances. That would be 14th to 15th century.

I don't think a single-engined version is necessary. The whole purpose of F-35 is to keep the superior technology of F-22 from being proliferated to US allies.

Maybe in 2025 or so we could have a UCAV version of the J-20. Then you can have the manned J-20 commanding wings of "unmanned J-20."

Do you think it will be big enough to even fit a Anti-ship missile or two in the internal bay?

China could conceivably develop a new anti-ship missile small enough to fit for future PLAN versions. It probably wouldn't have very good range though. A 150+ km range ramjet powered stealthy ASM on a J-20 would be deadly.