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_killuminati_

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You mean 300 million USD per plane.
$333m to be precise. I'm sure India is interested in gaining the experience of manufacturing (to apply it to domestic developments), although they did manufacture the flanker previously.

Latest interviews with Indian ground based troops indicate that IAF stayed grounded for several days after May 7th and they essentially had no air defense other than SAMs.

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He says also a missile fell on their base, a small one with a large explosion, so fast it was visible just for a moment but even the radar could not engage it.
 

CasualObserver

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Getting to magic .1 sq m RCS (which, btw, isn't F-35/J-35 and J-20/F-22 level, it's"just" Su-57) is a whole industrial enterprise, reinventing half of the plane. You can see lots of small pieces of this job now actually done by Turks.
KF-21, right now, is far from even "cheap stealth" (aka, geometry only).
People usually underestimate Turkish efforts simply because they're relatively new contenders among modern fighter aircraft developers, but there's an incredible amount of painstaking work underway within their MIC, building upon a far from insignificant foundation of experience and capability.

As a self-proclaimed realist and a long-time military aviation and Turkish MIC observer, I can say with confidence that Baykar's Kizilelma fighter drone alone, which is being developed iteratively, already has enough RCS treatment to be a highly competitive LO contender among existing stealth fighter designs (say, the Su-57, for example!). It already comes equipped with an F-16-grade GaN radar, IRST and EOTS, a sizable IWB, conformal antennas all-around, and an integrated EW suite (although the nose cannot accommodate both the radar and IRST simultaneously - it's either radar + EOTS or IRST + EOTS).

--Admittedly, the panel-gap tolerances on the Kizilelma prototypes could be a bit better, but they're still only producing the initial LRIP aircraft.--

OTOH, Kaan's P1 (which is a far more serious product than any other Turkish stealth aircraft) incorporates every treatment found on the F-35, F-22, J-20/35, etc. that makes them S-tier 5th-generation LO platforms (minus the application of RAM, for now).

On the optical sensor side, Kaan actually has a very strong chance of being simply better equipped than these aircraft (LWIR IRST + MWIR EOTS + DAS) when it enters service. While the J-20A is highly likely to already field a GaN-on-SiC radar, Kaan is, aside from the J-20A, actually further along with its GaN radar than the F-35 Block 4, for crying out loud...

If anyone needs proof, I recommend checking out the respective threads for these aircraft on a certain other popular military aviation forum ;)
 
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_killuminati_

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People usually underestimate Turkish efforts simply because they're relatively new contenders among modern fighter aircraft developers, but there's an incredible amount of painstaking work underway within their MIC, building upon a far from insignificant foundation of experience and capability.

As a self-proclaimed realist and a long-time military aviation and Turkish MIC observer, I can say with confidence that Baykar's Kizilelma fighter drone alone, which is being developed iteratively, already has enough RCS treatment to be a highly competitive LO contender among existing stealth fighter designs (say, the Su-57, for example!). It already comes equipped with an F-16-grade GaN radar, IRST and EOTS, a sizable IWB, conformal antennas all-around, and an integrated EW suite (although the nose cannot accommodate both the radar and IRST simultaneously - it's either radar + EOTS or IRST + EOTS).

--Admittedly, the panel-gap tolerances on the Kizilelma prototypes could be a bit better, but they're still only producing the initial LRIP aircraft.--

OTOH, Kaan's P1 (which is a far more serious product than any other Turkish stealth aircraft) incorporates every treatment found on the F-35, F-22, J-20/35, etc. that makes them S-tier 5th-generation LO platforms (minus the application of RAM, for now).

On the optical sensor side, Kaan actually has a very strong chance of being simply better equipped than these aircraft (LWIR IRST + MWIR EOTS + DAS) when it enters service. While the J-20A is highly likely to already field a GaN-on-SiC radar, Kaan is, aside from the J-20A, actually further along with its GaN radar than the F-35 Block 4, for crying out loud...

If anyone needs proof, I recommend checking out the respective threads for these aircraft on a certain other popular military aviation forum ;)
The only "other popular military aviation forum (wink)" I know of is pdf..
 

Anhad

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You mean 300 million USD per plane.
An F-35 costs only around USD 100 million per aircraft. Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon are indeed the most expensive fighter jets in the world. However, if India is allowed to integrate its own air-to-air missiles, air-to-ground missiles, and guided bombs, the investment can still be justified. The French radar, mission computer, and other avionics should also eventually be replaced with indigenous Indian systems.

As for replacing imported fighter jets with domestically developed aircraft, the most critical factor is the engine. Until India develops a reliable indigenous fighter jet engine, dependence on foreign suppliers will continue. Developing a fighter jet engine is the most difficult aspect of any fighter aircraft development program.
 

Anhad

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$333m to be precise. I'm sure India is interested in gaining the experience of manufacturing (to apply it to domestic developments), although they did manufacture the flanker previously.


He says also a missile fell on their base, a small one with a large explosion, so fast it was visible just for a moment but even the radar could not engage it.
Pakistan fired more than 600 missiles at India, but not a single one of them managed to land inside India. Pakistan claims it did not fire cruise missiles because it did not want to climb the escalation ladder, yet India was firing BrahMos missiles across the entire length and breadth of Pakistan, striking Pakistani military bases.

The reality is that Pakistan does not have a cruise missile. It claims to possess cruise missiles such as Babur and Raad, but they are essentially gimmicks meant to create a psychological deterrent. Pakistan has been trying to acquire cruise missiles from United States for a long time, and its efforts have reportedly intensified after Operation Sindoor. However, cruise missiles are not a plug-and-play system; they require an entire technological and industrial ecosystem, something that is far beyond Pakistan's capabilities.

Even in the Indian Air Force, only 40 Su-30MKI aircraft are currently equipped to fire BrahMos missiles. The Tejas can also fire BrahMos, but it is not yet in service in large numbers. Only four countries in the world United States, China, Russia, and India manufacture cruise missiles.
 

Black Wolf

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Pakistan fired more than 600 missiles at India, but not a single one of them managed to land inside India. Pakistan claims it did not fire cruise missiles because it did not want to climb the escalation ladder, yet India was firing BrahMos missiles across the entire length and breadth of Pakistan, striking Pakistani military bases.

The reality is that Pakistan does not have a cruise missile. It claims to possess cruise missiles such as Babur and Raad, but they are essentially gimmicks meant to create a psychological deterrent. Pakistan has been trying to acquire cruise missiles from United States for a long time, and its efforts have reportedly intensified after Operation Sindoor. However, cruise missiles are not a plug-and-play system; they require an entire technological and industrial ecosystem, something that is far beyond Pakistan's capabilities.

Even in the Indian Air Force, only 40 Su-30MKI aircraft are currently equipped to fire BrahMos missiles. The Tejas can also fire BrahMos, but it is not yet in service in large numbers. Only four countries in the world United States, China, Russia, and India manufacture cruise missiles.

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Anhad

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you can check the satellite images of all the military bases of India which pakistan claims to have hit and also check the satellite images of 11 pakistani bases and 9 mosques hit by Indian Airforce.

proof was provided by Indian Airforce and Army in the official press confrence during the conflict. recently they also released new drone footages and some more high resolution satellite imagery of the damage done to pakistani radar stations
 

defenceman

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you can check the satellite images of all the military bases of India which pakistan claims to have hit and also check the satellite images of 11 pakistani bases and 9 mosques hit by Indian Airforce.

proof was provided by Indian Airforce and Army in the official press confrence during the conflict. recently they also released new drone footages and some more high resolution satellite imagery of the damage done to pakistani radar stations
Hi,
by the way you have joined this forum recently but just a advice please go through last year pages of this forum hopefully you will find your answers but don’t ask members to give you proof of Pakistani retaliation on Indian bases about cruise missiles Pakistan doesn’t need one to fire as all Indian bases are next to Pakistani missile ranges and where did you get the idea of USA involving with Pakistani cruise missile instead you can say china might be helping
thank you
 
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