J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31

Aval

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Yes. Mainly to keep the production knowhow in use + Allow iterative upgrades to be implemented + Serves as a hedge against any potential delays to the J-XD(S)H program.

If anything, as all the J-35 slots on the current CVs get filled, I'd expect the J-35's production to gradually slow down, with all the new production units then directed to land-based training + rotational extras + building up reserves as they gradually plateau at a lower production rate (relative to the J-35A), while retaining the capability to periodically surge the J-35's production for new/upcoming carriers (004, 005, etc) in the years to come, in case such need arises.



??? Why would they? The PLAAF certainly doesn't operate any aircraft carriers.

My question was for after they've filled all the carrier slots plus whatever extras they need for land-based roles like reserves and training. Its a good idea to keep producing at least some airframes, perhaps a minimum single-digit figure, even after those two use cases are filled just to preserve institutional knowledge to allow for surge capacity whenever a new carrier is finished, especially if such timelines have to be accelerated due to global events.

Based on my (admittedly napkin maths), it seems to me that unusually few (perhaps even only one?) "J-35 surge for new carriers" would be needed overall, keeping in mind how J-XDS first flight was before J-35 even officially entered service. I note that this is potentially the fastest direct replacement cycle we've seen amongst premier fighter jets in recent history, or perhaps the history of flight.

Due to the limited space on carriers, I suspect J-XDS would directly replace J-35 with the only bottleneck being production rate and integration maturity. Airframes are designed to last several decades and the J-35 has features (that are not without material and opportunity cost) that make it financially inefficient to procure if they're going to be pushed out of their intended carrier role before even a decade has passed. This is unlike J-15 since its efficiency as a missile truck cannot be matched by the smaller J-35, so they fit separate roles and can have ongoing parallel production.

In fact, this has been my primary concern with the J-35 programme. Certainly, its J-35A derivative will likely be very fruitful for the PLAAF given the cost of J-20 and the expected costs of J-36 and J-XDS (land variant) along with the potentially limitless air fleet cap, but the limited space on carriers pushes for a smaller production volume and higher investment per individual airframe; ergo, there's no point in having a few J-XDS lead an only slightly larger amount of J-35, might as well make the entire CAP carrier fighter allocation J-XDS. Its possible J-XDS (naval variant) will reach mass production before "Type-005" (the 5th carrier) is completed and commissioned, meaning that only 4 carriers-worth of J-35 (+ reserves and training) would be produced. Given the expected production rate of >100x J-35 family airframes per year from SAC due to their new factory, this could be achieved within just a few years (possibly before 2030) even with the majority of production being for the J-35A variant. We could be looking at a very short production run for the J-35.
 

Aval

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I don't believe so. J-XDS(N) will supplant J-15 variants on deck, at least initially, not J-35, which due to its ability to carry external weapons will take over the J-15 role.
J-15 can carry more than J-35. This is something the J-35 can probably never match due to limits on engine size.

But basically everything J-35 can do, the J-XDS is expected to do better. The only difference is in cost, but that problem is resolved by scaling production.
 

Aval

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J-15 also has an RCS similar to a B52.

Separate roles. J-35/J-XDS achieve air supremacy and destroy enemy AA. J-15 carries munitions for ground/surface attack after air supremacy is achieved. J-15 doesn't need to consider stealth at all if its only functioning as a missile truck in controlled environments, and in that sense its unmatched munitions carrying capacity makes it most efficient for that role.
 

Tomboy

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I don't believe so. J-XDS(N) will supplant J-15 variants on deck, at least initially, not J-35, which due to its ability to carry external weapons will take over the J-15 role.
There isn't anything to confirm that J-XDS do not bave external hardpoint. In fact it is likely J-XDS would be able to carry much more than J-35 externally (and internally) due to heavier MTOW and large wing area.

IMO, if money is no problem, it is optimal to go for J-XDS only fleet. It is unlikely for J-15T and J-35 to offer anything over J-XDS other than being possibly cheaper to operate but they also take up a valuable slot on a carrier which are going to be limited compared to the US for the foreseeable future.
 

lcloo

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The production of J35 will be slow down once the slots for existing aircraft carriers are filled, but will not stop because there will be more aircraft carrier expected to be built.

What is the number of a slot for an aircraft carrier? J35 are not permanently attached to an aircraft carrier, they are usually rotated between different air wings. If each air wing consists of 24 to 40 aircraft each (variable for for CV16, 17 &18), and they need more for reserve and training, we can expect PLAN would need around 120-150 J35 initially as of now, and as 004 is commissioned another 50-60 will be needed.

And when aircraft carrier 005 and 006 starts construction, more J35 will be in procurement planning.

What is likely to happen is LRIP (initial low rate production) in 2025/2026> follow by a surge to reach critical number > then a winding down "normal" production rate in synchronization to new aircraft carrier construction.

The question is when will the 6th gen navalized fighter jets becomes FOC, until then a low rate production will still be on.
 

Deino

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The production of J35 will be slow down once the slots for existing aircraft carriers are filled, but will not stop because there will be more aircraft carrier expected to be built.

What is the number of a slot for an aircraft carrier? J35 are not permanently attached to an aircraft carrier, they are usually rotated between different air wings. If each air wing consists of 24 to 40 aircraft each (variable for for CV16, 17 &18), and they need more for reserve and training, we can expect PLAN would need around 120-150 J35 initially as of now, and as 004 is commissioned another 50-60 will be needed.

And when aircraft carrier 005 and 006 starts construction, more J35 will be in procurement planning.

What is likely to happen is LRIP (initial low rate production) in 2025/2026> follow by a surge to reach critical number > then a winding down "normal" production rate in synchronization to new aircraft carrier construction.

The question is when will the 6th gen navalized fighter jets becomes FOC, until then a low rate production will still be on.

… even more so given the latest News that the PLAN NA is reforming at least one - maybe more - of its Naval Aviation Brigades which most likely will also get J-35 as landbased assets and being deployed on rotational basis; I think PLAN will take several more J-35 than just to fill 3-4 units.
 
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