China's SCS Strategy Thread

Expert1324

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Chinese embassies did the best they could and warned ethnic Chinese Indonesians to seek shelter within the embassy before the riots. However, Wanwanese embassies spread news that there was nothing to worry about and since most rich Indonesian Chinese distrusted communists at the time, they ignored the warning. And when the massacres happened the Wanwanese immediately blamed the Mainland for not doing anything.
Wow im not aware of the absolutely disgusting and dirty wanwan tactics!

Though, I am more referring to China being strong enough to physically intervene into Indonesia. While I do not approve of America's foreign policies in general, but there is definitely a certain threshold that absolutely justifies FAFO for hostile states. And to also establish a credible tic for tac response (MAD deterrence is ineffective in peacetime or smaller-scale conflicts), America's deterrence by guaranteed punishment had given them a very strong reputation (or used to) of credible red lines (such as against ill treatment of American citizens). The mass genocide and mass rape targeting Chinese people in 1998 absolutely justifies military intervention in Indonesia, and then getting back Natuna islands and Lanfang would be a bonus. Unfortunately, China was weak at the time not to mention another big hurdle would be the non-intervention policy.

If foreign countries keep commenting or stick their nose into our domestic issues like they are doing now, there is no reason to continue keeping this stupid policy. Or in fact, a better idea (that still protects and stay consistent to our principles) would be a "non-interventionist policy on the basis of retaliation": AKA we are non-interventionist unless a country decides to either interfere in our domestic matters in any way or commits massacre/ racially targeting our ethnic people (includes all Chinese ethnicities). Then there will be retaliatory action and non-interventionist policy would no longer apply until relations improve/ normalised by them correcting and restituting their mistakes. I believe this should be the right way moving forward.

China should take this Iran war opportunity to heavily punish the Philippines. Out of all the potential attack opportunities against the likes of Japan, Taiwan or others, Phillipines is the weakest with least amount of blowback. They can easily takeover a few spratly islands and Ph will not be able to do anything.

Absolutely, we are being too passive for no good reason. Not to mention their lack of resources and oil right now. They might even self-collapse if we played smart since the beginning of the war.
 
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Wow im not aware of the absolutely disgusting and dirty wanwan tactics!

Though, I am more referring to China being strong enough to physically intervene into Indonesia. While I do not approve of America's foreign policies in general, but there is definitely a certain threshold that absolutely justifies FAFO for hostile states. And to also establish a credible tic for tac response (MAD deterrence is ineffective in peacetime or smaller-scale conflicts), America's deterrence by guaranteed punishment had given them a very strong reputation (or used to) of credible red lines (such as against ill treatment of American citizens). The mass genocide and mass rape targeting Chinese people in 1998 absolutely justifies military intervention in Indonesia, and then getting back Natuna islands and Lanfang would be a bonus. Unfortunately, China was weak at the time not to mention another big hurdle would be the non-intervention policy.

If foreign countries keep commenting or stick their nose into our domestic issues like they are doing now, there is no reason to continue keeping this stupid policy. Or in fact, a better idea (that still protects and stay consistent to our principles) would be a "non-interventionist policy on the basis of retaliation": AKA we are non-interventionist unless a country decides to either interfere in our domestic matters in any way or commits massacre/ racially targeting our ethnic people (includes all Chinese ethnicities). Then there will be retaliatory action and non-interventionist policy would no longer apply until relations improve/ normalised. I believe this should be the right way moving forward.



Absolutely, we are being too passive for no good reason. Not to mention their lack of resources and oil right now. They might even self-collapse if we played smart since the beginning of the war.
Disgusting doesn’t begin to cover the extent of assholery. Did you know that they also tried to co-opt the radical segment of the Hanfu movement (legit Han chauvinism) to promote separatism in the mainland despite the Lai regime labeling 98 percent of the Wanwanese population as “sailfish people” (旗鱼人/其余人)because they hate Chinese culture that much?

They also plant a lot of agents in South East Asia (Malaysia and Thailand) and echo DPP talk points when the mainland gains any influence. You can see that on full display during 2019 HK riots.
 

A potato

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Disgusting doesn’t begin to cover the extent of assholery. Did you know that they also tried to co-opt the radical segment of the Hanfu movement (legit Han chauvinism) to promote separatism in the mainland despite the Lai regime labeling 98 percent of the Wanwanese population as “sailfish people” (旗鱼人/其余人)because they hate Chinese culture that much?

They also plant a lot of agents in South East Asia (Malaysia and Thailand) and echo DPP talk points when the mainland gains any influence. You can see that on full display during 2019 HK riots.
It's funny because it shows that pretty much most of the Chinese diaspora plus Wanwan and Hong Cuck are extremely confused about their identity. Like the Hanfu movement started in the cultural heartland of China (Shaanxi, Shanxi and Henan) where I am from (I am a Xi'aner) and the Wanwanese/Hong Cuckers/ Chinese Diaspora are the ones that told the world that ancient Chinese culture is Cheongsam/Qipao despite Hanfu still existing until the 1920s when the republican era forcibly replaced it with Hanfu.

It's the same with Cantonese people saying they're not chinese while also saying their dialect is the last link to ancient Chinese and constantly spam this bullshit around the world. It's not even remotly true in the slightest aswell as the irony that they potraying majority of the country as Mongols/Manchus.

I honestly think we should use more East and West divide rather than North and South divide because the Eastern areas of China aren't any different in terms of cuckholdry with HK and Taiwan (Ehem Dailan).
 

sanctionsevader

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Wow im not aware of the absolutely disgusting and dirty wanwan tactics!

Though, I am more referring to China being strong enough to physically intervene into Indonesia. While I do not approve of America's foreign policies in general, but there is definitely a certain threshold that absolutely justifies FAFO for hostile states. And to also establish a credible tic for tac response (MAD deterrence is ineffective in peacetime or smaller-scale conflicts), America's deterrence by guaranteed punishment had given them a very strong reputation (or used to) of credible red lines (such as against ill treatment of American citizens). The mass genocide and mass rape targeting Chinese people in 1998 absolutely justifies military intervention in Indonesia, and then getting back Natuna islands and Lanfang would be a bonus. Unfortunately, China was weak at the time not to mention another big hurdle would be the non-intervention policy.

If foreign countries keep commenting or stick their nose into our domestic issues like they are doing now, there is no reason to continue keeping this stupid policy. Or in fact, a better idea (that still protects and stay consistent to our principles) would be a "non-interventionist policy on the basis of retaliation": AKA we are non-interventionist unless a country decides to either interfere in our domestic matters in any way or commits massacre/ racially targeting our ethnic people (includes all Chinese ethnicities). Then there will be retaliatory action and non-interventionist policy would no longer apply until relations improve/ normalised by them correcting and restituting their mistakes. I believe this should be the right way moving forward.



Absolutely, we are being too passive for no good reason. Not to mention their lack of resources and oil right now. They might even self-collapse if we played smart since the beginning of the war.
There have been (and still are) good reasons to not antagonize ASEAN by entering into direct conflict with multiple members (who remain in good standing inside the org) simultaneously. Particularly in the periods that Indonesia saw huge unrest against ethnic Chinese.

In the late 90's Asia was experiencing the financial crisis, capital flow to China remaining stable was a priority, as was preventing any domestic and regional backlash against this relationship at the formal level. Setting aside that China at that time had no credible way to (or frankly reason to) attack Indonesia (just as if HK Chinese chimped out and massacred a few thousand Indonesians working in HK, Indonesia could ofc be upset, angry and lodge complaints but realistically would not have a realistic casus belli against China). The era of 'defenders of the faith' a la 1800s European colonialism are over (the fact Russia failed to notice this has been to its immense detriment).

China did what was logical to do, apply pressure, provide shelter, and lodge formal and completely understandable complaints (it has also done similar things after more recent Vietnamese anti-chinese riots etc.)

Launching an SMO over this would be both insanely stupid (unify ASEAN against you, Americans laughing all the way to the bank, actually endanger every ethnic Chinese in ASEAN immediately due to association). See how ethnic Russians are treated in EU and UKR today, they did not gain dignity and respect, the opposite. It would essentially be akin to a disastrous Ukraine war for China, a blessing for the USA and it's regional allies! Worse still, in the 90's this would be a genuinely civilization threatening blunder; recall that at this time the USA has absolute supremacy in every military domain over China and China is still seen with suspicion (and not yet in the WTO!) and in a relatively weak position in ASEAN militarily (at this time even regional navies are strong enough to bully China!) This would definintely scuttle WTO membership, lead to humiliating military defeats, and probably result in the end of the PRC.

You should consider second order effects. Also 'reclaim Lanfang?' Real world is not a paradox interactive game.
 
It's the same with Cantonese people saying they're not chinese while also saying their dialect is the last link to ancient Chinese and constantly spam this bullshit around the world. It's not even remotly true in the slightest aswell as the irony that they potraying majority of the country as Mongols/Manchus.

I honestly think we should use more East and West divide rather than North and South divide because the Eastern areas of China aren't any different in terms of cuckholdry with HK and Taiwan (Ehem Dailan)
From a historical and cultural perspective, Chinese have much more in common with Manchus/Mongols/Koreans than the original Baiyue inhabitants of the South. The ancestors of the Chinese came from the steppes.
 
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A potato

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From a historical and cultural perspective, Chinese have much more in common with Manchus/Mongols/Koreans than the original Baiyue inhabitants of the South. The ancestors of the Chinese came from the steppes.
Not exactly because Chinese have been agricultural since the Xia dynasty and the commonality with those peoples is those steppe nomads plus Koreans basically adopting our customs even if they try so hard to deny it (ehem lunar new year). The people we have in common are the Miao/Hmong’s since they existed along side Chinese since the yellow empower days aswell as other Sino tibetans (Qiangs back then) because technically Yan and Huang are Qiang tribes with ancient Qiang’s recorded being offshoots of the Huang and Yan people who migrated.

BTW Chinese did not originate from the steppes but either the Himalayas or the Yellow river.
 
Not exactly because Chinese have been agricultural since the Xia dynasty and the commonality with those peoples is those steppe nomads plus Koreans basically adopting our customs even if they try so hard to deny it (ehem lunar new year). The people we have in common are the Miao/Hmong’s since they existed along side Chinese since the yellow empower days aswell as other Sino tibetans (Qiangs back then) because technically Yan and Huang are Qiang tribes with ancient Qiang’s recorded being offshoots of the Huang and Yan people who migrated.

BTW Chinese did not originate from the steppes but either the Himalayas or the Yellow river.
The original people (long before Xia dynasty) that settled along the Yellow River in Henan/Shanxi was the Miao people. Then, the Huang tribe, a Qiangic tribe came from the Northwest while the Yan tribe were Dongyi (same ancestral group that rise to Koreans and Tunguisic peoples) came from Shandong/Liaoning. The Yan and Huang tribes united into the Yan Huang Zisun and defeated Chi You, the tribal chief of the Miao, forcing them to migrate to the south. The Yan Huang Zisun eventually founded the Xia. Later on, the Shang was another group of Dongyi that came from the Northeast. Qiang and Dongyi all originated from steppe (around 3000BC, the steppes were far larger than they are now, covering entire region north of Tibet, Xinjiang, northern parts of Shandong stretching into Hebei and Liaoning and home to exotic creatures like rhinos).

In Asia, it is easy to determine the origins of ancient groups of people simply by looking at their religious beliefs. Steppe origin peoples including Qiang, Han, Tungusic, Turkic, Mongolic peoples all worshipped a sky god (Shang di for Chinese).
 
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Some1Guy

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The military and political factions of PH are not in alignment. My guess is military is still fully captive to US interests and the political faction has started to realize they were going down a gutter.
Guessing a lot of US money is flowing towards the military, that's why they're still delusional about the US actually helping them out in a conflict with China. Otherwise they're just fools.
 
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