Trump 2.0 official thread

[iewgnem]

On balance, I think it’s more likely to be caused by sabotage by the crew.

It makes no sense to continue to lie about the carrier being hit if that’s what happened, as that’s not something you can cover up in the long term, so when the truth inevitably comes out, the cover up is going to look worse than the original event. Once the ship pulls up in Crete or any other dock, a hit by weapons would be obvious for all to see.

The odds of a missile or drone strike against a carrier not resulting in any casualties amongst the crew also seems like a very low probability event. Especially since at that distance, it’s almost certainly going to be a ballistic missile or proper AShM and not some FPV with minimal warhead.

Otoh, a fire originated in a non-critical part of the ship (so no guards, access controls or permanent personnel presence), that just so happens to take out hundreds of berths forcing the ship to return to port seems like exactly the kind of Hail Mary play a disgruntled crew desperate to go home would think to do. So the spread of the fire would likely be deliberately engineered, possibly with accelerants, maybe also with targeted sabotage of key fire fighting and damage control equipment in the vicinity to frustrate initial response, or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control parties, or maybe a combination of some or all of the above. This seems like the far more likely cause.

Although with the track record of Trump blatantly trying to gaslight everyone thus far, I would not be surprised if the Ford does pull in with 600 bedsheets stitched together to cover a large section of the ship.

You can start a fire via sabatoge, but it takes an open and probably armed mutiny to keep it burning for 30 hours. Also I don't think you can use lack of officially admitted casualties as a reference

 

[GulfLander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2033897242986209689

 

[siegecrossbow]

There is such an easy way to take over the strait. Why didn’t Trump try this? Is he stupid or what???

 

[plawolf]

You can start a fire via sabatoge, but it takes an open and probably armed mutiny to keep it burning for 30 hours.

Maybe, but the primary objective of the sabotage is to force the navy to declare the carrier non-operable so the crew can finally go home. Armed rebellion doesn’t serve that objective as you will just be transferring from a floating prison to a land based prison doing that. It won’t get you home to see your family will it?

The 30h duration could easily be explained by carefully planned sabotage to disable fire prevention systems and equipment, and/or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control teams in dealing with the fire

Also I don't think you can use lack of officially admitted casualties as a reference

Indeed, which is why I said I could not rule out the carrier coming back with a massive covering in place to hide battle damage. But that seems like a low probability event with what we know so far.

 

[GulfLander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2034210642647794160

 

[terminator7211]

 

[Serb]

Maybe, but the primary objective of the sabotage is to force the navy to declare the carrier non-operable so the crew can finally go home. Armed rebellion doesn’t serve that objective as you will just be transferring from a floating prison to a land based prison doing that. It won’t get you home to see your family will it?

The 30h duration could easily be explained by carefully planned sabotage to disable fire prevention systems and equipment, and/or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control teams in dealing with the fire


Indeed, which is why I said I could not rule out the carrier coming back with a massive covering in place to hide battle damage. But that seems like a low probability event with what we know so far.

I think we are going to see more and more of this in the near future.

The more they try to over-abuse these literally crumbling naval vessels, including carriers, to keep functioning long after they are already falling apart, the more sabotage, breakdowns, and even mutinies they are going to invite.

All of this is truly the first real showcase of what a modern imperial doom-loop to death looks like with political hubris and face-saving, strategic overreach, and decaying physical, real-world maintenance capacity.

 

[another505]

You can start a fire via sabatoge, but it takes an open and probably armed mutiny to keep it burning for 30 hours. Also I don't think you can use lack of officially admitted casualties as a reference

When USS Bonhomme burned, it was unsalvagable despite all the assets nearby CONUS to extinguish it. Fire on ships are serious hazard and the story could be that simple.

Might be low morale and exhaustion that lead to slow fire response but an ARMED mutiny is a much MUCH bigger problem, i swear some of you guys are in reading into things way too much.

 

[9dashline]

I think we are going to see more and more of this in the near future.

The more they try to over-abuse these literally crumbling naval vessels, including carriers, to keep functioning long after they are already falling apart, the more sabotage, breakdowns, and even mutinies they are going to invite.

All of this is truly the first real showcase of what a modern imperial doom-loop to death looks like with political hubris and face-saving, strategic overreach, and decaying physical, real-world maintenance capacity.

On netflix there is a recent documentary called Marines ..

On there a young buck says he is wishing for war ... That if war calls he will answer

Now he finally getting his chances

 

[TK3600]

When USS Bonhomme burned, it was unsalvagable despite all the assets nearby CONUS to extinguish it. Fire on ships are serious hazard and the story could be that simple.

Might be low morale and exhaustion that lead to slow fire response but an ARMED mutiny is a much MUCH bigger problem, i swear some of you guys are in reading into things way too much.

Bonhomme was burning while crews were kinda away. This wash machine thing happened on active deployment though.