2026 Israel - Iranian conflict [TEMP LOCKED]

Will Iran-Israel conflict start again?


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CasualObserver

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Article 5 against Israel? Entire article 5 will be bombing Turkey.

Also, frankly speaking, Turkey is in a far worse position v Israel than Iran is for next few years.
Turkey woke up far, faaar too late, and it only starts deploying capabilities which will have significant military value v Israel.

It just didn't develop in that direction until last several years.
From a purely military capability development perspective, the period between 2010 and 2024 were absolutely wasted. To be fair, that period did lay the foundations of the advanced defense industry Turkey has today. Even so, a great deal of time and opportunity was lost to strengthen its military potential.

Since Erdogan and his party came to power 20+ years ago, too little was done to keep the military technologically competitive with Russia and Israel; the Armed Forces were and still are underfunded. This became especially evident after Israel got Turkey kicked out of the F-35 program just as the aircraft were close to crossing the Atlantic relatively soon.

Full focus on indigenous development was the right strategic decision. However, it should have been paired with the import of urgent capabilities if needed. For example, Turkey should've acquired the optional +4 E-7Ts, new tankers and transport aircraft. It also shouldn't have delayed its F-35 orders by half a decade.

Not giving the Americans a political middle finger by procuring the S-400 instead of PAC-3 MSE would also have been a good decision in hindsight, don't you think? :D
 

tankphobia

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You're best timeline envisioned a bunch of people in Iran getting bombed, the people of Gaza being exterminated, soaring global oil prices and a global trade war?

I'd love to know what a nightmare scenario looks like for you?
I'm always surprised by the glee at which posters talk about the Hormuz blockade and gcc oil shutdown like they don't get affected... It sucks for everyone and supply chain ripples can only hurt everyone's bottom-line. Once strategic stockpiles run low cost of living for the average Joe would skyrocket.
 

Serb

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Precisely because Iran is not a failed state that they cannot just rely on spamming offense. Yeah sure you're embarassing the US and wasting their stockpile of precious munitions, but if in return Tehran gets turned into Gaza it's not really victory.

That's why I think eventually there will be a negotiated settlement or even a return to status quo, just as much as the US is not willing to see global oil flow grind to a halt, I really don't think the fevour is high enough in Iran that they will put themselves through the meat grinder just to fight the US to self annihilation. (Not talking about IRGC here, carpet bombing of cities is still a distinct possibility to force capitulation)

There is not going to be any return to the old status quo or some fake neutral settlement after the US pulled the same kind of trick on them twice in a single year.

They are clearly not interested in responding to Trump’s TACOs again. Their officials have repeated that point over and over for a reason.

They have no interest in being deceived, pausing, and then getting attacked again six months later after the US and Israel have restocked and reset.

No, from their perspective, they have to inflict enough pain now to make this stop for good, because the other side clearly does not understand limits and still operates under delusions.

Honestly, some of you talk like you just tuned into this war yesterday.

Why would the side that believes it is strategically winning agree to restore the status quo anyway, especially after that level of damage to the civilian sector?

You also do not seem to grasp the mindset they are in now, especially after the US side turned this into something existential.

It is like some of you have been living under a rock for the last ten days.

What is emerging now is already a new regional architecture.

America is being uprooted from it permanently, and some form of compensation is going to have to be paid for it in the end (when Iran decides to stop its actions finally).
 

tamsen_ikard

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Precisely because Iran is not a failed state that they cannot just rely on spamming offense. Yeah sure you're embarassing the US and wasting their stockpile of precious munitions, but if in return Tehran gets turned into Gaza it's not really victory.

That's why I think eventually there will be a negotiated settlement or even a return to status quo, just as much as the US is not willing to see global oil flow grind to a halt, I really don't think the fevour is high enough in Iran that they will put themselves through the meat grinder just to fight the US to self annihilation. (Not talking about IRGC here, carpet bombing of cities is still a distinct possibility to force capitulation)
Iran turned into Gaza? You must be dreaming.

It would take 10 thousand bombers dripping millions of bombs for several years before they can make Iran into Gaza. US doesn't have the forces to even put a dent on Iran.

They can strike a few places but thats about it.

People dont realize how huge a single city is and how much bombing is required to destroy even one neighborhood.
 

tankphobia

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There is not going to be any return to the old status quo or some fake neutral settlement after the US pulled the same kind of trick on them twice in a single year.

They are clearly not interested in responding to Trump’s TACOs again. Their officials have repeated that point over and over for a reason.

They have no interest in being deceived, pausing, and then getting attacked again six months later after the US and Israel have restocked and reset.

No, from their perspective, they have to inflict enough pain now to make this stop for good, because the other side clearly does not understand limits and still operates under delusions.

Honestly, some of you talk like you just tuned into this war yesterday.

Why would the side that believes it is strategically winning agree to restore the status quo anyway, especially after that level of damage to the civilian sector?

You also do not seem to grasp the mindset they are in now, especially after the US side turned this into something existential.

It is like some of you have been living under a rock for the last ten days.

What is emerging now is already a new regional architecture.

America is being uprooted from it permanently, and some form of compensation is going to have to be paid for it in the end (when Iran decides to stop).
You seem to assume that Iran has a magic lever it can pull to infinitely escalate at no cost to itself. What's currently happening is mutual destruction between Iran and gcc/US assets.

Just as the US has no meaningful way to completely stamp out IRGC return fire, Iran basically has 0 ability to stop incoming US air strikes beyond shooting down a few drones.

The question is who will blink first, even with TACO yapping we're yet to see clear indication that US strikes are slowing, so I don't see how you're so confident that Iran will successfully eject US from the region.
 

Serb

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Any and all amount of damage that is being inflicted upon Iran now, economic or otherwise, would have to be repaid back to them in terms of sanctions relief or by GCC states, eventually. That is a fact.

Americans have no way to eliminate Iran's capability before Iran turns Israel into Gaza, or causes a civil war in the US due to the economic blowback from the Hormuz closure (explained precisely why earlier).

If you are living under your own bubble, and still get some impression of the US capability in 2026 from movies made decades ago, then that's on you, but this is literally what is happening in the real world now.

Yeah, if Houthis can defeat Americans strategically, so can Iran. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this to some people? Americans are not omnipotent, but a decomposing corpse of an empire.


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You seem to assume that Iran has a magic lever it can pull to infinitely escalate at no cost to itself. What's currently happening is mutual destruction between Iran and gcc/US assets.

Just as the US has no meaningful way to completely stamp out IRGC return fire, Iran basically has 0 ability to stop incoming US air strikes beyond shooting down a few drones.

The question is who will blink first, even with TACO yapping we're yet to see clear indication that US strikes are slowing, so I don't see how you're so confident that Iran will successfully eject US from the region.

That is because I keep seeing more and more signs, from Trump himself in his usual roundabout, self congratulatory way, from people in his administration, and from the US media, that they are looking for an offramp with Iran, want to step back, and are quietly admitting they miscalculated.

Which is honestly wild, considering how Orwellian all of them usually act in situations like this.

Meanwhile, from basically every serious Iranian official, I keep hearing the exact opposite repeated over and over, no talks for now, no negotiations, no pause. I do not even have to search hard for it. I open my Twitter feed and see it every day.

Yes, the US can keep launching periodic standoff strikes on civilians and civilian infrastructure in the western parts of Iran, including Tehran. But that does not mean much in terms of the actual strategic trajectory.

That is basically what they did in Afghanistan for twenty years, and we already know how that ended.

The real question is whether they can even sustain this kind of confrontation for twenty months without their own system starting to crack apart, especially in the current internal climate, where the country is already so socially and politically polarized it looks half broken even in peacetime.

And Hormuz is not just about oil. That is the shallow reading. It is also tied to US debt, the petrodollar system, regional credibility, and the broader financial architecture that props up American power in the first place.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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You seem to assume that Iran has a magic lever it can pull to infinitely escalate at no cost to itself. What's currently happening is mutual destruction between Iran and gcc/US assets.

Just as the US has no meaningful way to completely stamp out IRGC return fire, Iran basically has 0 ability to stop incoming US air strikes beyond shooting down a few drones.

The question is who will blink first, even with TACO yapping we're yet to see clear indication that US strikes are slowing, so I don't see how you're so confident that Iran will successfully eject US from the region.
Shooting down drones is very indicative of something: it means low altitude airspace is contested and mobile, hidden, etc forces are very hard to target.
 
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