2026 Israel - Iranian conflict [TEMP LOCKED]

Will Iran-Israel conflict start again?


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horse

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I think this could be some sort of warped propaganda that most of us will struggle to understand.

Instead of talking about the current war, a leader talks about the coming war.

Which seems like the former leader is saying they must all hang in there because there is a long road ahead.

So there is only a fight and sacrifice. There is no other option.

Damn thing is, this was a war of choice!

But they are trying to convince themselves it was not?

Therefore, maybe this is just an attempt to keep everyone on the same page.

Seems kind of tough to do.

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magmunta

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It seems there were two strikes against yet another girls' school in Tehran.
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I wonder whether it was Israel or the USA. If it was Israel, the strikes were intentional so as to cause greater anger amongst the Iranian people which greatly increases support for a protracted war against Israel and the USA; thus, Iran will have to wage a war for a longer time, get hit more, therefore, its economy will suffer more. And complete and sustained economic destruction of Iran could materialize. I think Israel's final goal is to destroy Iran as a functional state rather than to do a democratic regime change. Americans, on the other hand, would rather see a democratic regime change in Iran than a thorough destruction of Iran.
 

EmoBirb

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Two things: Article 5 of NATO and, most importantly, Türkiye has even better military capabilities than Iran :3
Article 5 states:
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Now this can leave a lot of wiggle room, is Turkey considered to be in Europe or North America? Also "such action as it deems necessary" that can include the use of armed force, but it's not mandatory.

Meaning, if push comes to shove, Turkey shouldn't believe any other NATO member would aid them. If anything, expect many of them to seize the opportunity to settle previously unsettled scores.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Two things: Article 5 of NATO and, most importantly, Türkiye has even better military capabilities than Iran :3
Better capabilities than Iran? Haha, no.

Iran designed their entire force to be resilient and able to withstand an overwhelming air power.

Iran has an asymmetric force.

Turkey doesn't have that. They barely have an air force full of F-16, which will be downed easily by Israeli F-35s.

Once turkish air force is gone, they are sitting ducks. They dont even have the overwhelming missile force and drone force.

Turkish drones are slow bayraktar drones, they dont have the massive numbers of shahed like 1 time use drones.

Iran is the worst kind of enemy Israel and US is facing, because they designed their force that way.
 

Anlsvrthng

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The magic sauce that Israel and USA missing is the myth of invincibility generated over 60 years of Hollywood .
In 2023 , during the Ukrainan counter offensive there was a nervous moment when the Abrams/Leopard tanks faced the T-72s.

And as the western tanks started to burn as the old soviet ones everyone become releived, as the whol 60 yeard os propaganda conditioning about the advanced and unbeatable USA technology disapeared.

Back in the 10s I conducted few discussion about tank technology on this forum as well, and it was like an uphill battle , every characteristics of the wester tanks been seen as superior, and every characteristic of the estern one as a reason of inferiority.

Lack of steering wheel on T-72 due to complexity and lack of space? drawback compared to the high level of creq comfort on the abrams and leopard.
Now? Western tanks big bulky, hard to maintan . Becasue they prioritise crew comfort. It is not like ten T-72 worth one abrams, but two abrams worth one T-72 in long term ,real combat.

We see this in Iran as well.
Back in the day it sounded like blasphemy to say Iran can stand against the might airforce of the USA and ISrael , and to say that the IRon Dome and Patriots can't defend the USA bases ? C'mon, they are western magic.
Of course,the eastern systems has more, multi spectral BIGGER radars, omnidirectional cold launchers , more advanced IADS, better and cheaper missiles, but the magic sauce make better the Patriots and Iron domes : )


Now, as the magic gone there is a huge uplif in Iranian moral, and devastating inferiority feeling in the heart of Israely and USA soldiers.
 

Anlsvrthng

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MQ-9 drones.

How many been stationed in the Arabian Pensitula?

I have a feeling like at least 50 been there, with spares and maintanance bases.

Means If irani down 10+ of them that is acually a big loss, and most probably big part of the mainanance stock gone as well.

The USA didn't evacuated the THAAD radars from the close proximity of Iran, means most likelly lof of spare ,engine and tooling left in the area as well. Possibly with many unlfyable airframes .
 

Serb

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Iran may threaten to close the Strait of Hormuz all it wants but the fact of the matter remains that it does not have the capability to do so.

Almost all of its surface combatants have been eliminated. Earlier today, the US took out 16 of its minelayers. Despite its supposed large stockpile of anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles, almost none of them seems to have been used in this conflict, suggesting that they have been destroyed or not many were produced to begin with. Iran's air force put up less of a fight than Iraq's did back in 2003 and are essentially no longer a viable fighting force. Iran does not have any materiel with which it could credibly threaten shipping in the Strait, and certainly not with USN submarines at the standby. The US realizes this and understandably has not really paid too much attention to Iran's verbal threats.

At this point, with the Hormuz "trump card" all but negated, Iran's remaining credible deterrent in this conflict is its leftover stockpile of ballistic missiles, which is undoubtedly being depleted or destroyed at a rate faster than they could be replaced. It has no navy, air force, organized command and control, or a credible proxy network. Sooner or later, those missiles will run out as well. While it may be correct to point out certain shortcomings of the US effort in this campaign, it needs to be said that Iran faces a much more dire - and perhaps even existential - situation.

Then you clearly do not understand how a modern strait closure actually works, and your memory span is about that of a goldfish. You need exactly zero traditional navy for that.

The Houthis already proved the point in Bab el Mandab.

They kept it disturbed for months, even against the active US and a naval coalition of more than ten allied vassal states, and they still won strategically (attacked 178 vessels throughout their two-year partial blockade in total, and more than halved the traffic).

That is because you do not need to sink every ship.

You just need to hit a few commercial vessels with drones or missiles, create enough risk, and then the shipping companies and insurers do the rest for you by panicking and pulling back; that is the whole logic.

In Iran’s case, the traffic tempo already dropped massively, way more than what the Houthis achieved, by at least ninety percent, aside from mostly Iranian and Chinese shipping.

So how exactly are you claiming Iran has no ability to do this when it has already been doing it successfully for more than ten days in actual reality?

What are you even talking about?

And why would Iran waste anti ship ballistic missiles if the US Navy is already too scared to properly escort tankers and does not dare move in close enough?

If they did come closer, then you would find out very quickly.

To sustain this blockade indefinitely, which is exactly what Iran has been demonstrating while still hitting targets even today, they have more than enough tools, UUVs, USVs, UAVs, anti ship missiles, mines, and fast boats armed with missiles.

So what exactly led you to write something this catastrophically wrong? US "exceptionalism" media brainwashing?

Lack of understanding of emerging ubiquitous military tech and geographical edge, and how outdated the US power projection model is now?





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