Right now I'm taking all the videos with a bit of salt, but I do love the user's name :"wondrousjapanforever," lol... That guy's obviously gonna have an unbiased view on sino-japanes relations
video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.
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bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Right now I'm taking all the videos with a bit of salt, but I do love the user's name :"wondrousjapanforever," lol... That guy's obviously gonna have an unbiased view on sino-japanes relations
Well judging from the intro to the video he is clearly japanese, however comments aside the first collision shows the trawler deliberately heading for the Japanese patrol boat, then clearly tries to run away
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Personally I can't tell who turned into who but it is certainly clear it was exaggerated by the Japanese. I've seen worse on Whale Wars. I read that the Japanese were investigating if the video was real and it was suggested someone in China leaked it. That seems completely illogical and does smell of cover-up regardless. Also if the Chinese captain was the aggressor, why would he stop after the hit.
airsuperiority
Captain
im surprised no one mentioned the trails behind the boats. wont it have shown that the japanese naval vessels cut into the trawler's way?
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Even if the fishing boat captain had the right of way, the law of the sea still expects "the wronged boat" (assuming in this case , the fishing boat) to take such action to avoid a collision. He clearly had time in the first collision.
Curious George
New Member
Watch the video again, you can clearly see the Japanese warship cut in front of the fishing boat in order to try to intimidate it into stopping. The problem is that the Chinese boat held its ground and kept course, barely clipping the Japanese warship. Not satisfied with this outcome, the Japanese warship tried the same "cutting off" maneover again and a collision happened the second time around. You're asking why the fishing boat didn't change course to try to avoid the collision, well why did the warship put itself in that position in the first place? What right did they have trying to bully a Chinese boat in a disputed area? Would they have tried pulling the same stunt on a Chinese warship that was passing through?
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airsuperiority
Captain
i watched a talk show on phoenix where some guy mentioned that the trawler gave way first several times, but the japanese side kept repeating. finally the captain finally kept its route and the collision occurred. the guy seemed to claim he's one of those onboard, but im not exactly sure
I've been following these leaked collision video discussions and have been wondering if the trawler had any nets deployed. The Chinese trawler seems to make minimal course changes while the JCG ships do all the maneuvering. Maybe they couldn't change course in any significant way even if they wanted to.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
This is a good case of people seeing what they want to see.
In the first collision, you could clearly see from the wake that the Japanese ship moved to block the path of the Chinese fishing boat first. The Chinese boat was moving at an extremely slow pace, probably to try and avoid a collision. But a ship is not like a car, you cannot break and come to a full stop just like that.
For the second collision, its impossible to tell from that footage who turned towards who.
The youtube clip also had ludicrous claims that the Chinese fishing boat was some kind of 'spy' boat. Which says all you need to know about the motives and agenda of the poster.
Its easy to completely change how an incident looks by simple selective showing of parts of the event. Unless an entirely unedited version is posted from start to finish, you can never be sure you have right context.
Besides, its simple to tell that the Japanese have nothing cut and dried, or else the Japanese government would have already released it when China was demanding the release of the captain to support their position.
In this case, how you view the incident is entirely down to the context. If you see this as international territory, what the Japanese done is entirely unacceptable (one can only imagine the BS reaction of the western media if Chinese patrol boats had done something similar to USN SOSUS spy boats gathering intelligence in China's EEZ). If this was in Japanese waters, then the Japanese would have a case that the Chinese boat should have stopped and submitted to inspection.
But the whole point is that China does not recognize Japanese ownership of the islands and surrounding waters, and so its captains will not behave as if they were in Japanese waters there.
This video changes nothing.
In the first collision, you could clearly see from the wake that the Japanese ship moved to block the path of the Chinese fishing boat first. The Chinese boat was moving at an extremely slow pace, probably to try and avoid a collision. But a ship is not like a car, you cannot break and come to a full stop just like that.
For the second collision, its impossible to tell from that footage who turned towards who.
The youtube clip also had ludicrous claims that the Chinese fishing boat was some kind of 'spy' boat. Which says all you need to know about the motives and agenda of the poster.
Its easy to completely change how an incident looks by simple selective showing of parts of the event. Unless an entirely unedited version is posted from start to finish, you can never be sure you have right context.
Besides, its simple to tell that the Japanese have nothing cut and dried, or else the Japanese government would have already released it when China was demanding the release of the captain to support their position.
In this case, how you view the incident is entirely down to the context. If you see this as international territory, what the Japanese done is entirely unacceptable (one can only imagine the BS reaction of the western media if Chinese patrol boats had done something similar to USN SOSUS spy boats gathering intelligence in China's EEZ). If this was in Japanese waters, then the Japanese would have a case that the Chinese boat should have stopped and submitted to inspection.
But the whole point is that China does not recognize Japanese ownership of the islands and surrounding waters, and so its captains will not behave as if they were in Japanese waters there.
This video changes nothing.