PeoplesPoster
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Lol what exactly have you done for China. This racist crap is embarrassing.
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Probably like 50mil...lol
Most American's first point of reference isn't the actual evidence itself, but how political influencers spin the evidence to fit their biases. By the time you present the actual evidence in front of them, they're already too brainwashed to acknowledge reality and too addicted to the dopamine rush of hating their opponents.
That's why Europe is realizing they have to pivot from the US. Even in the currently miracle scenario that fair elections survive and a Democrat becomes president next cycle, Americans are too far apart to ever reconcile and the hate will only keep building.
So do many Western expats. Learning English doesn’t make you culturally American, why would learning Mandarin make you culturally Chinese?
This whole heroine worship of Eileen Gu by some on this forum is both silly and naive. Most of you know very little about who she actually is. Like the fact that she grew up in an elite white circle (not the SF Chinese community), that most if not all of her close friends are white (despite being in SF), that her mother deliberately immigrated to the US from Shanghai, found a white DNA donor, voluntarily raised her without any paternal input, carefully cultivated her image from a young age, and then built a global business empire around her.
When I see Eileen, I don't even know who she really is, because so much of it is deliberate optics and PR - her mother has such huge control over her image that for all you know, the Eileen you're seeing is just a facade, the carefully constructed center piece of a brand. If she's so willing to be Chinese, why hasn't she switched her citizenship yet? She certainly could, given her special talents and her mother's heritage. Things to think about.
It was bound to happen when you give guns to a bunch of cosplayers with a chip on their shoulder.
The establishment loves peaceful protests and keeps shilling people like Gandhi because it allows the opposition to make suboptimal deals while feeling good about themselves. It hates people like Mao and Stalin who weren't afraid to use force.
But like many things in life, you have to take risks to make real gains especially when house is rigged against you. There is no easy way out.
manqiangrexue
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1. Does America's descent into Nazi Germany strike you as a nation that has reserve strength?
2. You were told? LMFAO, by whom?
But his post was debunked very quickly after it was written. All of this "soft power" is nothing except the secondary effects of decades of Western dominance through hard power.
That's me. That's always me and I'll always be there to argue against it, every time. Just tag my name next time.
No, there is no such thing as soft power because a power is capable of resisting opposing force. For that, there is only hard power and the nonviolent extensions of hard power. Other than that, it is just some cultural appreciation, pleasant when cooperation is on the table but discarded the instant interests clash. This is why no country like Japan, Canada, Denmark can use any "soft power" to resist America's hard power bullying and the only country in the world America truly fears is China for its hard power and only its hard power.
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Well I would sure as hell say they have a better claim than those whose claim to being "culturally Chinese," is only that they're fully blooded and watch lots of Donghua.
You can say that about almost every celebrity or signficant public figure out there, not just Eileen. Newsflash, since the invention of popular media, almost every celebrity of note is the product of a carefully sculpted PR apparatus. Even for celebrities whose most attractive trait to their fans is their "authenticity," they are the product of media campaigns. You're only applying this double standard to Eileen because of her being bi-racial.
Plus, this is all moot. Whether she's a heroine for not, or what she's ultimately in it for, wasn't it Han Feizi who said that good rulers know how to manipulate the motivations of talented people to align with their own interests? The leadership wants Olympic gold, Eileen is conducive towards that goal. Who she is, how she does it, and why she does it, means nothing as long as she does it, period.
I think you're misreading the signs and causation a bit.
I recall she only became a more notable personality online (here and in other places, including Chinese social media) after some western/US individuals expressed anger and consternation at her choice to represent China at the winter olympics last time.
Being a cause of consternation and frustration in a geopolitical context is the primary element of her elevated profile. Ironically if the the usual suspects in the US had kept quiet about her, not many people would know who she is
For someone who seems to like to "gate keep" who is Chinese and who is not, you don't seem to know your Chinese history very well.
Just to take the example of Chu. Archeology has already shown that the early Chu state was nearly identical to the Zhou in culture (indicating they were an off shoot of the Zhou, or an out right Zhou colony), but "barbarized" over time as they conquered more territories of peoples who were not Zhou. This insight is reinforced by the fact that the earlier you go in Chinese history records, the more Chu is regarded as Chinese - a careful reading of Zuo Zhuan indicates that Chu was never associated with the Manyi (ie "barbarians") in Zuo Zhuan, but that later, Warring States period texts did treat Chu as barbarian because its kings began to claim themselves as barbarians in order to reject Zhou rule and assert their own independence.
In other words, it's not that Chu started off as barbarian state, but became accepted by the other Zhou states once they swore fealty to the Zhou and adopted Zhou rites. But that they chose to reject their originally Zhou/Huaxia lineage, both in order to better rule their "barbarian" subjects, and because they wanted to make out right play for cultural and political independence from the Zhou kings as the latter's authority faded during the Eastern Zhou.
It was only towards the end of the Warring States that, again for political convenience, Chu re-asserted its "Huaxia" identity because - surprise surprise - it became an asset as Chu sought to assert hegemony over the Central Plains states as its territories encroached upon their borders. Even so, many in the Central Plains states distrusted Chu - there was never this universal belief, as you seem to assert, that Chu became Chinese as soon as they paid homage to the Zhou kings.
Or as Yuri Pines put it in his highly cited 2018 re-analysis of Chu identity:
"The new understanding, summarized by Xu Shaohua in the seminal volume by Constance A. Cook and John S. Major is that “there is little archeological evidence of a distinctive Chu culture during the Western Zhou times.” It was only from the Springs-and-Autumns period on that a divergent cultural pattern associated with Chu began emerging, and even then Chu’s elite culture remained strongly conformant with the Zhou ritual practices. This suggests an entirely different cultural trajectory: Chu was not a “barbarian entity” attracted by the glory of the Zhou culture as hinted in the Mengzi, but a normative Zhou polity that developed cultural assertiveness in tandem with the increase in its political power."
Such a basic lack of nuance on the understanding of Chinese history indicates you're really talking more in stereotypes and generalizations than deep recognition of what went on. There's no shortage of historical states and dynasties that manipulated the optics of identity for political gain - leaning towards "barbarian" when it was beneficial to do so; and leaning towards "Chinese" when it was beneficial to do so.