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[Randomuser]

Agreed. India is light years behind China and many young educated Indians know it, at least the Indians in Germany that I talk to in my everyday life. What most people on this forum do is like a cat stepping on its own tail and hissing at the person next to it.

There you go again. More personal insults lashed at forum members. Just can't help yourself can you?

Why even waste your time here? You're not gonna convince anyone with the way you argue. Its probably in your interest just to stop browsing this forum full of "ignorant" users so you save your time and energy to go on forums with more "educated" people. The name of this forum is Sino Defense Forum after all.

I'm surprised mods keep allowing this when I have seen others banned for less in terms of behavior problems.

 

[Puss in Boots]

Agreed. India is light years behind China and many young educated Indians know it, at least the Indians in Germany that I talk to in my everyday life. What most people on this forum do is like a cat stepping on its own tail and hissing at the person next to it.

Have you ever asked the Indians in Germany if they would like to return to India to utilize their talents? Aren't you curious why so many well-educated Indians are so keen on emigrating overseas?

 

[uguduwa]

Have you ever asked the Indians in Germany if they would like to return to India to utilize their talents? Aren't you curious why so many well-educated Indians are so keen on emigrating overseas?

For the same reason why many Chinese are keen on emigrating overseas, better pay and more opportunities. People move where there are better conditions. Otherwise we would all be living in East Africa.

 

[Phead128]

Firstly, @manqiangrexue wrote "China leading in 90% technologies". He's using ASPI tracker which measure certain things, to draw inference on state of play in various tech.

Secondly, ASPI's tracker for example in Generative AI makes no sense because most research in Generative AI happens within large firms, few of which open source anything. Other than that, the top papers in NeurIPS etc. (not the total papers) are still coming from the US. It requires deep understanding of the field to understand who is ahead on what. Counting total publications in list of journals is one very heavily skewed metric, which @manqiangrexue believes when it shows China leading but discards when it shows China not leading.

Really? You are the one who thinks Tokyo Electric manufactures "Lithography Machines", so I seriously doubt you are qualified to talk about technology in general.

Many large firms in generative AI, they do publish algorithms and innovative AI research publicly.

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OpenAI and Google both publish extensively on AI and machine learning in the public research literature, even though their core systems are not open source. Google DeepMind, in particular, has long operated as a research-first organization, with a huge emphasis on peer-reviewed publication. Its work on AlphaFold is an great example. The research was openly published and scrutinized, and in 2024 it was recognized with the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, awarded in part to Demis Hassabis, the CEO of Google DeepMind.

You are misinterpreting lack of open source model for lack of AI research publications, and not even realizing that for-profit proprietary model makers publish extensively while protecting IP.

 

[Puss in Boots]

For the same reason why many Chinese are keen on emigrating overseas, better pay and more opportunities. People move where there are better conditions. Otherwise we would all be living in East Africa.

India exports 3.12 million highly educated migrants, accounting for 65% of the global total. Between 2015 and 2024, over 1.3 million Indians will renounce their citizenship, many of whom are highly skilled workers.
India's brain drain is unique and cannot be compared to China's.

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In the 1980s, India even surpassed China economically, with the two countries starting almost on equal footing. Now, while China has reversed its brain drain, India continues to experience a significant brain drain. What caused this outcome?

 

[uguduwa]

India exports 3.12 million highly educated migrants, accounting for 65% of the global total. Between 2015 and 2024, over 1.3 million Indians will renounce their citizenship, many of whom are highly skilled workers.
India's brain drain is unique and cannot be compared to China's.

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You are comparing an around 2.5k GDP per capita economy with a borderline high income economy. Of course more Indians are moving abroad. Anyone got data on Chinese emigration rate in early 2000s?

What you can criticize is the fact that Indian government itself encourages brain drain by trying shove migration conditions into FTA deals which is completely moronic.

 

[Puss in Boots]

You are comparing an around 2.5k GDP per capita economy with a borderline high income economy. Of course more Indians are moving abroad. Anyone got data on Chinese emigration rate in early 2000s?

What you can criticize is the fact that Indian government itself encourages brain drain by trying shove migration conditions into FTA deals which is completely moronic.

The question you need to consider is why some people are willing to give up high salaries to return to China, while you rarely hear of Indians doing the same!

 

[uguduwa]

The question you need to consider is why some people are willing to give up high salaries to return to China, while you rarely hear of Indians doing the same!

Can you give me some statistics to support your claim? Not newspaper articles of individuals but data that point to long term trends.

 

[Puss in Boots]

Can you give me some statistics to support your claim? Not newspaper articles of individuals but data that point to long term trends.

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The return of a few top talents is enough to prove this phenomenon; other data only corroborate this trend.

 

[uguduwa]

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The return of a few top talents is enough to prove this phenomenon; other data only corroborate this trend.

This is not data. This just says students returned to China. Students who never worked so they didn‘t have an income to sacrifice. You need to back up your claim with actual data. Otherwise it‘s meaningless.