US conflict in the Americas

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ismellcopium

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The issue is lack of hard power. That's what under-investment in defence leads to

If you can't credibly threaten the US in Venezuela, then what can China do? Ok, maybe it can shout a bit but if it does it too much it will only expose its own inability to intervene
Why does China *need* to threaten the US in Latam? You know it can do without Venezuelan oil, or even Brazilian crops, right? And it would much prefer to see limited US military resources deployed to SA, and even rather they withdrew everything from Asia to plunder that continent to their hearts' content? In fact that would precisely be about as ideal of a multipolar outcome as China is in all likelihood hoping for.

And to add to that, the Trumpian retreat should be encouraged, not deterred. While yes, words alone mean little and the bulk of their presence remains in Asia, if China devoted massive resources to contesting & frustrating their pivot to the Americas now it would merely serve to show the US that pivoting elsewhere to concede to China is not an option & they have no choice but to stay the course in Asia at any cost.
 
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A potato

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The correct term is that there has been some sort of empire/country/sovereign entity in the general region that is known as China in the modern era for the past 3000 years. People keep confusing it as if a single empire under a single system ruled for that long. The CCP is just another system/entity out of many that ruled this region before it. Also, the Mongolians also successfully taken over China and ruled for 100 years, so they seem to be a pretty poor example to point out.
I mean it technically is because those dynasty changes are no different than for example Spain going becomming a republic than monarchy than republic than landing on monarchy. China going through dyansty changes dosen't change the fact that it is still China especially Kublai Khan who assimilated him and his clan into China.
 

tokenanalyst

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true. It is not a matter of money. Example: North Korea, Vietnam, even Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. The #1 determinant of whether a society is ready for war is whether they can accept immense hardship indefinitely for victory. Indians and Pakistanis, just like North Koreans, have outright said they're willing to eat grass to win. Are Venezuelans willing to eat grass to win?
Yes, the North Koreans are more willing to fight a high intensity war.
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Now the biggest danger in Venezuela and in Latin America in general could be the prospect of the return of guerrilla warfare in the region couple with an increase of the narco situation to sustain that type of war.
 

bebops

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Taiwan mostly flies F-16As, Mirage 2000s with mismatched missiles (can't fire AIM-120s) and a trainer level F-CK-1.

It uses literal WW2 era ships.

Taking Taiwan is very easy by itself without Japan and US Navy. Rocket/Ballistic missile force will do 90% of the job. Destroying every piece of military hardware before enforcing a navy blockage.

Even Taiwan and Japan combined forces cannot beat China. With Taiwan, Japan and US Navy, it becomes more challenging. By 203X, it should dominate all three of them.
 

BasilicaLew

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Still no vids of MANPADS shooting down pesky helo's out of the sky. The Ukrainians did much better against Russian helo's on day one.
Ukrainian military was much larger and had actually real reserve components
What she says:


I remember during the 1st Trump administration, the Venezuelans had exercises where they practiced exactly for this scenario where they stationed MANPAD teams on rooftops. Where are they now?
This is what will happen in Taiwan, say I'm a Taiwanese solider or Venezuelan one? I see all this shit? My entire military base wiped off the planet? Uhh, I think I'm going to take a day off.

This reminds me of the Syrian Arab army, losing just because they didn't keep loyal generals, Xi is making the right choices making sure they are completely loyal.

Ultimately time is on China's side, the Americans are a falling empire and nothing can stop that, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the Chinese military is so far ahead that we are talking about if America could defeat a Chinese robot invasion of the US mainland. But as a response, the Americans will get more violent as they see them lose their footing and very quickly will pick the wrong fight with China and maybe attempt to turn it nuclear. Nick Fute is good proof that the US will always want to be the imperial power of the world, and he would no doubt want to drop nukes on China to prevent them from winning a war. This is why China wants so much ABM protection, and nuclear stockpiling.
 

constalation

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I wonder what the China Maduro meeting just before his capture was about. I am not going to lie, but I never imagined the Venezuelans for fold so easily. Can you imagine letting your top guy get kidnapped like this?

You really start to appreciate how strong the Palastanians are. I believe East or South Asians wouldn't have given up so easily.
 

bebops

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Ukrainian military was much larger and had actually real reserve components

This is what will happen in Taiwan, say I'm a Taiwanese solider or Venezuelan one? I see all this shit? My entire military base wiped off the planet? Uhh, I think I'm going to take a day off.

This reminds me of the Syrian Arab army, losing just because they didn't keep loyal generals, Xi is making the right choices making sure they are completely loyal.

Ultimately time is on China's side, the Americans are a falling empire and nothing can stop that, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the Chinese military is so far ahead that we are talking about if America could defeat a Chinese robot invasion of the US mainland. But as a response, the Americans will get more violent as they see them lose their footing and very quickly will pick the wrong fight with China and maybe attempt to turn it nuclear. Nick Fute is good proof that the US will always want to be the imperial power of the world, and he would no doubt want to drop nukes on China to prevent them from winning a war. This is why China wants so much ABM protection, and nuclear stockpiling.

China's biggest nuke blackmail protection is Russia. In a nuke exchange, Russia and China will combined force.
 
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