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daifo

Major
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I wonder if there could be basically 2 views of the surface fleet, one wanting the bulk of the fleet to be cruisers/destroyers vs a side that wanted a more diverse surface warship fleet. Possibly the former won over Trump hence the canceling of the constellation and picking such a lesser arm ship for the frigate which would allow the entire frigate program to be canceled in the future.
 

Temstar

Brigadier
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I quite enjoyed their discussion on it yesterday, it was the perfect balance between clowning and serious discussion. Hope to see their super long paid special on USN tomorrow.

The best translation they came up with for Defiant was "不服" and they all agreed anyone who translate it as "挑战" or "无畏" are uneducated oafs.
It's available now on Qingting FM by the way, the topic is comparison of USN and PLAN growth in 2025.
It's fricken 160 minutes long!
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
What "support"? Can you show me some quotes?
Seem to me everyone is crawled in fear of the God Emperor.
Regardless of how they feel about the current administration the fact is the US as a whole enjoys comandarie and support from most nations and certainly NATO.
I mean the CinC literally talks about annexing and invading a fellow NATO member (Greenland/Denmark) and the fact that nobody said anything is the surest sign of support or servitude or whatever it is.
Sometimes what's not spoken is just as loud or even louder than what's spoken.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
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Regardless of how they feel about the current administration the fact is the US as a whole enjoys comandarie and support from most nations and certainly NATO.
I mean the CinC literally talks about annexing and invading a fellow NATO member (Greenland/Denmark) and the fact that nobody said anything is the surest sign of support or servitude or whatever it is.
Sometimes what's not spoken is just as loud or even louder than what's spoken.

Greenland was a shock, which numbed Europe into silence. Then we had Trump's embrace of Russia.

But the result today is that the leaders in France, Germany etc are now publicly castigating anyone who supports the US over European interests.

The vassals plot their independence from the overlord.

Having said that, it will take years for countries to build independence from the US

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On the issue of the Gaza Genocide, the USA and Israel are almost alone in the world.

Due to the tariff war on every country in the world, any "camaderie" amongst the vast majority of countries is gone.
What is left is grudging acceptance of American power

But what happens when it is clear that China represents a viable alternative to the USA?

In the past 6 months, we've seen that the US is reliant on the Chinese supply chain to build cars and missiles, whilst China is self-sufficient.
The latest price comparison surveys in China also indicate that in terms of actual consumption of goods and services, China is roughly twice the size of the US. That would be consistent with the difference in electricity generation which is 2.2x greater, and remember that electricity is used everywhere in a modern economy.

But having said that, the status quo is the safe, predictable option for the time being.
 

AlexYe

Junior Member
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it will take years for countries to build independence from the US
European Centrists/liberals are still hoping that Trump is an anomaly, they are thinking this happened once before when Trump goes away US will back to normal. So while they are currently moving a little bit they are still mostly banking on the fact that 'status quo will be reestablished" they just gotta go through these 'tough times',even if they are pissed off right now.
But what happens when it is clear that China represents a viable alternative to the USA?
Viable alternative to which specific thing?
Europe US is tied due to 3 bigggg reasons military stuff, tech-patents/licenses, but MORE importantly 'Capital interests'+USD dominance/Economy.
Liberals/neoliberals/billionaires/politicians are all pro American-capital, they will lobby/advocate against their own country's people interests as long as they personally get to benefit from the american ecosystem, because of this they will never pivot to anything china because they cant/wont be able to exploit/eatpie/milk in the china system as much as they do in american system.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
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European Centrists/liberals are still hoping that Trump is an anomaly, they are thinking this happened once before when Trump goes away US will back to normal. So while they are currently moving a little bit they are still mostly banking on the fact that 'status quo will be reestablished" they just gotta go through these 'tough times',even if they are pissed off right now.

This is the 2nd time Trump has been elected.
So who actually believes Trump is an anomaly?

Plus the Western trend is towards more nativism, so a future Trump successor can be expected to continue, and indeed, be worse than Trump.
So the centrist view is that there is a fundamental change.

As for the liberal view, this is overwhelmingly dominated now by the Gaza Genocide, where people see both Republicans and Democrats support Israel no matter what.

Viable alternative to which specific thing?
Europe US is tied due to 3 bigggg reasons military stuff, tech-patents/licenses, but MORE importantly 'Capital interests'+USD dominance/Economy.
Liberals/neoliberals/billionaires/politicians are all pro American-capital, they will lobby/advocate against their own country's people interests as long as they personally get to benefit from the american ecosystem, because of this they will never pivot to anything china because they cant/wont be able to exploit/eatpie/milk in the china system as much as they do in american system.

The view in Europe is "self-sufficiency" from both the US and China.

Note that in terms of technology, it is China that is/will be setting global standards, not the USA.
This should be where most of the money will be made.
 

tamsen_ikard

Captain
Registered Member
Europe US is tied due to 3 bigggg reasons military stuff, tech-patents/licenses, but MORE importantly 'Capital interests'+USD dominance/Economy.
Ignores the most important factor and the factor that completely rules China out as a viable ally of Europe. That is racism and cultural affinity. US is basically just European settler colony. They are the same race and same culture. Western alliance's main basis is racism.

Europe will never ever ally with China until they stop believing in White European Supremacy. Even the so called liberals implicitly believe in White European Supremacy but sugercoat it as Democracy and liberal order.
 

zyklon

Junior Member
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Courtesy of Zhong Da 79, we found the solution to the US Navy's greatest woes!

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Some of our innocent American friends are going to rename this proposal the BBC: Big Beautiful Cruiser, and the memes will flow . . .
 
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