PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

RoastGooseHKer

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Why do Westerner worshippers like yourself always assume China faces the exact same problems as the West?
Just read Collin Koh and Melissa Chen, and you will understand where he comes from. Forgive me about the generalisation, but Singapore’s very survival depends on security provided by the Anglos (and now the good old USA).
 

kkwan18

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Another big challlenge for the PLA is that it's primary mission is keeping the CCP in power - not foreign conquest. Despite the big parades and all the nice kit we see on this excellent forum, the PLA is optimised to be loyal to the CCP, with combat as a secondary consideration. And regarding Taiwan, even assuming the PLA can, in a contengincy, invade it, what happens later? The CCP would be looking at a big insurgency because the majority of Taiwanese won't relish CCP rule. Yes, China has tons of good hardware, but does Xi trust his PLA guys to get the job done? Sure, he'll trust them to put down internal dissent. But can they be effective in a dynamic combat environment where somebody is shooting back? He certainly seems to doubt it!
Its the PLA that wanted to finished this civil war more then Xi.
 

bsdnf

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When people discuss “what if” assumptions based on hard-to-quantify indicators like "culture" and "values," you know they're not really discussing the issue.

The average netizen might mock ROCA's poorly trained and poorly equipped "strawberry soldiers," and might assume the outer island garrisons would crumble at the first blow, but they would never believe, based on any "value judgment," that ROCA on the main island would offer no resistance.

Maintain the quality of the discussion and focus on hard metrics, rather than engaging in Epoch Times-style wishful thinking and curses of “Today Zhang Youxia rebels, tomorrow Xi is seriously ill. "
 
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siegecrossbow

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Well, if it really is Collin Koh, then he'll eventually come around like every other Singaporean, but it might take another 5-10 years or so.

Lee Kuan Yew really was a visionary when he assessed that China was likely to succeed.
He first? said this publicly to Deng Xiaoping back in 1978...

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I would expect that most other people will come around in the future, so it's just a matter of patience and explaining how the world has or will change, and how that can be a good thing.

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And Singaporeans will benefit personally from such a change.

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At the moment, there is still a lot of casual racism against East Asians, which is being fuelled by the Western media. It doesn't help that Trump is espousing an America which is explicitly ethno-nationalist and xenophobic, with China as the boogieman.

(American ethno-nationalism, along the lines of blood and soil, doesn't really make much sense. So what you end up with is an agenda that places people "first" who are White, Christian and of European heritage

But where does that leave everyone else?

Given that in many places, a majority of the people would be "minorities", such a path is disastrous for the internal politics and cohesion of the USA)

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But a rich and technologically advanced China which is globally dominant will change global perceptions of East Asians generally. At a minimum, this will turn into grudging respect. At a maximum, China is held in the same high-regard as America in the past.

You just have to wait till the leaded gasoline finally catches up with the elite boomers currently in charge. Younger generation have been severely SeeSeePee pilled by both lack of opportunities and social media influencers like Ishowspeed and Hasan. I’d say there will be struggle sessions with dunce hats in a decade’s time.
 

00CuriousObserver

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That is not correct.

There is a reason that the PAP exists. They were previously the internal security units of the PLA.

The whole point of this separation was so that:

1. The PAP has its primary mission as internal security, with a secondary military mission
2. The PLA has its the primary mission as military, with a secondary internal security mission

This division is supported more recently by primary sources asserting that Xi Jinping is laser focused on:
a) The 2027 target to have the capability to invade and conquer Taiwan
b) ruthless decision making based on what he believes is in China's national interest

It is actually correct that the PLA's "primary" mission is keeping the CCP in power. But it's not contradictory with the fact that the PLA is a primarily external force or that the PLA will partake in foreign conquest missions, which is the wrong conclusion that some have. Look no further than the PRC"s own national security law:

中国人民解放军由现役部队和预备役部队组成,在新时代的使命任务是为巩固中国共产党领导和社会主义制度,为捍卫国家主权、统一、领土完整,为维护国家海外利益,为促进世界和平与发展,提供战略支撑。

The People’s Liberation Army of China is composed of active-duty forces and reserve forces. In the new era, its missions and tasks are to provide strategic support for consolidating the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the socialist system, for safeguarding national sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity, for protecting China’s overseas interests, and for promoting world peace and development.


The ordering of the objectives absolutely matters here.
 
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siegecrossbow

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It is actually correct that the PLA's "primary" mission is keeping the CCP in power. But it's not contradictory with the fact that the PLA is a primarily external force or that the PLA will not partake in foreign conquest missions, which is the wrong conclusion that some have. Look no further than the PRC"s own national security law:

中国人民解放军由现役部队和预备役部队组成,在新时代的使命任务是为巩固中国共产党领导和社会主义制度,为捍卫国家主权、统一、领土完整,为维护国家海外利益,为促进世界和平与发展,提供战略支撑。

The People’s Liberation Army of China is composed of active-duty forces and reserve forces. In the new era, its missions and tasks are to provide strategic support for consolidating the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the socialist system, for safeguarding national sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity, for protecting China’s overseas interests, and for promoting world peace and development.


The ordering of the objectives absolutely matters here.

If it can’t safeguard sovereignty and national security then the CPC’s leadership can’t be consolidated. It isn’t really so much ordered objectives as equally important objectives.
 

00CuriousObserver

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If it can’t safeguard sovereignty and national security then the CPC’s leadership can’t be consolidated. It isn’t really so much ordered objectives as equally important objectives.

Of course. But then the debate goes "well how much of that 'safeguarding sovereignty' will come at the risk of leadership consolidation" (ie the Taiwan war)
 

00CuriousObserver

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Oh look, Papa's coming to the rescue... with two B-52s!


It's kinda impressive that this happened so soon after the Sino Russian exercise, even though they likely anticipated it.

Also, the PLA's force posture in Dongbei towards the Sea of Japan seems somewhat weak, even if/when Russia opens up the airspace to allow PLAAF activity there. I'd imagine there are still quite a few political hurdles to overcome before we see large scale expansions in Dongbei.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Also, the PLA's force posture in Dongbei towards the Sea of Japan seems somewhat weak, even if/when Russia opens up the airspace to allow PLAAF activity there. I'd imagine there are still quite a few political hurdles to overcome before we see large scale expansions in Dongbei.

For reference - There are only about three PLAAF bases which directly faces the Sea of Japan at the eastern sector of Dongbei, with two of the closest ones (Yanji and Mudanjiang) only fielding J-10s at best and not featuring any hardened aircraft shelters. The one which is recently expanded + upgraded and fielding J-16s (Qiqihar) are about 1000 kilometers deeper inland.

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The PLA really does need to significantly buff up its presence and strength in the eastern sector of China's Dongbei. That is, China couldn't rely/depend on Russia and North Korea for guarding and defending the Dongbei's eastern frontier - The former's air force doesn't exactly has brilliant performances in Ukraine over the past 3+ years, whereas the latter's air force is basically a pile of Cold War relics.

Enemy airborne and seaborne forces could easily launch standoff missile attacks over the Sea of Japan with impunity against key targets in Dongbei through the North Korean and Russian airspaces - And the PLAAF must be able to counter such threats by having consistent presence over the Sea of Japan.

It'd be great if China and Russia can work together towards establishing a NORAD-equivalent that covers the eastern sector of the Chinese Dongbei and the Russian Far East districts, alongside aerial corridors where PLA warplanes can easily traverse between the Dongbei and the Sea of Japan.
 
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