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Agree, they got nothing to offer. There is only one thing I can think for that China would accept.
That is stop the hostility. In rhetoric and in action. But, they cannot help themselves.
Obama was the one who started it off with some restrictions on high end semi-conductor chips and was the architect of the TPP whose sole intention was to box in China economically.
That did not work, with Chinese computing industry still able to advance, and the TTP died of natural causes.
Trump 1.0 had a trade war and tech war which centered around Hauwei. They egged on Taiwan too.
That did not work, as Chinese trade increased, the RCEP came into being, and Huawei is still here, built the 5G in China and shit. PLAAF and PLAN do regular combat patrols around Taiwan now, changing the status quo.
Biden people increased the sanctions and tech war. One highlight was the 100% tariff on EVs.
That did not work, as Chinese economy kept growing meeting the targets set by the government which meant the Chinese grew a lot faster than the US economy, Huawei makes a comeback in phones with a 7nm chip, and Chinese EVs going global nowadays.
Trump 2.0 we had more sanctions and Liberation Day trade war.
That did not work as Huawei strong as ever, DeepSeek suddenly appeared, and all the other tech like Green Energy, the NEVs, and the robotics keep on going. Also Chinese trade surplus at $1 trillion going for two straight years, unprecedented. Meanwhile in the US, there is a tech spending boom in data centers, but a general malaise in the rest of the US economy. The Chinese economy forecast to grow at 4.8% by the World Bank this year, compared to 0.7% for the US economy. That is not the US winning, that is losing.
Like the communist said, China and the United States should be friends, but those turkeys in Washington cannot help themselves.
So they are getting what they wanted, conflict, as they were asking for it.
It is hard to say. Sooner or later, a day like this would come, what the Chinese did with the rare earths again.
I claim it is hard to say, because of Russia and Gaza, now there is a third front of economic war with China? I doubt the United States is that good a juggling.
So, there could be a chance the hostility could stop. But I doubt it. With Trump anything is possible. He suppressed the Epstein files, and Trump actually shut down the FBI investigation into his own assassination attempt, kind of weird and funny.
Again, why would China compromise on her security?
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
"Stop the hostility" doesn't mean anything. It's just like, "Denounce Taiwanese independence." It's completely reversible at anytime and the actions aren't even defined. This is another thing that is completely worthless. Shit, according to Trump, there are no hostilities; as a matter of fact, he says the relationship with China has been going swimmingly for the last 6 months! LOL To him, that means no change! But when the course of China's plan plays out and American global dominance is supplanted by Chinese power, everything China wants comes to China naturally. Therefore, the US truly has nothing left to offer; it's like one of those movies where the hero finally holds the gun to the villain's head and the villain offers him a grovelling apology, money, leadership in his gang, women, anything he wants. The hero responds with cold vengeance, "I just want you to die," before pulling the trigger. America just has to take this beating and wake up world number 2.Agree, they got nothing to offer. There is only one thing I can think for that China would accept.
That is stop the hostility. In rhetoric and in action. But, they cannot help themselves.
Obama was the one who started it off with some restrictions on high end semi-conductor chips and was the architect of the TPP whose sole intention was to box in China economically.
That did not work, with Chinese computing industry still able to advance, and the TTP died of natural causes.
Trump 1.0 had a trade war and tech war which centered around Hauwei. They egged on Taiwan too.
That did not work, as Chinese trade increased, the RCEP came into being, and Huawei is still here, built the 5G in China and shit. PLAAF and PLAN do regular combat patrols around Taiwan now, changing the status quo.
Biden people increased the sanctions and tech war. One highlight was the 100% tariff on EVs.
That did not work, as Chinese economy kept growing meeting the targets set by the government which meant the Chinese grew a lot faster than the US economy, Huawei makes a comeback in phones with a 7nm chip, and Chinese EVs going global nowadays.
Trump 2.0 we had more sanctions and Liberation Day trade war.
That did not work as Huawei strong as ever, DeepSeek suddenly appeared, and all the other tech like Green Energy, the NEVs, and the robotics keep on going. Also Chinese trade surplus at $1 trillion going for two straight years, unprecedented. Meanwhile in the US, there is a tech spending boom in data centers, but a general malaise in the rest of the US economy. The Chinese economy forecast to grow at 4.8% by the World Bank this year, compared to 0.7% for the US economy. That is not the US winning, that is losing.
Like the communist said, China and the United States should be friends, but those turkeys in Washington cannot help themselves.
So they are getting what they wanted, conflict, as they were asking for it.
It is hard to say. Sooner or later, a day like this would come, what the Chinese did with the rare earths again.
I claim it is hard to say, because of Russia and Gaza, now there is a third front of economic war with China? I doubt the United States is that good a juggling.
So, there could be a chance the hostility could stop. But I doubt it. With Trump anything is possible. He suppressed the Epstein files, and Trump actually shut down the FBI investigation into his own assassination attempt, kind of weird and funny.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Live example of hard power generating its own soft power.
Did China say this? No. China just bitchslapped the Americans hard with the RE move and now the Americans are scrambling to figure out what they did wrong to deserve the slap.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Speaking of hard power turning into soft power; a lot of people on social media, Americans liberals, Euros, Canadians, are cheering China's rare earth ban because China's the only country that can slap Trump and it's just so satisfying for these bullied people to see it!
This is not the first time US Commerce Dept added export controls in middle of trade negotiation ceasefire. Seems like it happened earlier in summer which trigger retailiation from China with rare earths the first time around?
In any case, the anti-China hawks in US Commerce Dept who keeps on derailing trade negotiations needs to be fired before any good faith conversation can continue. The Rush Doshi types. Wholesale cleaning and reorganizing.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
It’s hilarious, delusional even, to seriously suggest that the US could actually build up its own alternative comprehensive RE industry and supply chain.
China sanctioning RE is a similar level strategic move to America sanctioning oil to Japan during WWII. Without access to these critical elements, western advanced manufacturing becomes one massive paperweight. And we all know how the Japanese responded to the American oil sanctions eventually.
This risk of RE move would not have escaped China’s attention, and indeed was probably the overriding concern on China’s side to playing this card. This is why China was very gentle and restrained in the RE card application, to test how America and the west would respond as much as to test how effective the card was.
America and the collective wests response has convinced China that they would respond the same way as Japan did, so now they are kicking in contingency plans to counter the western war prep and no doubt kicking its own war prep into higher gears.
Hehe ...
Okay, I had the exact same idea, I wanted to write a post about bitch slap, but refrained from doing so, haha! The exact same words, gwad dayman!
The Americans are the bitch slappers of the world, who just got bitch slap like that!
Cue the ou's and ah's and assorted gasps!
What is very interesting, we might even use the word, delicious, is that the bitch slap extended to everybody.
Now some, are in no position to fight back. Looking at you von der Layen.
So the vassal will look to Big Daddy America for a response to the bitch slap they all collectively received.
What if Daddy America has to concede a point or two here?
Would that drive some sort of wedge? Would people lose confidence?
Answers we do not know at the moment.
Great reading/analyses -my concern as well at this time if USA's/west industries do start stopping/collapsing(and this is such a blow) the ripple effects would cascade throughout their economies-wrecking them and as I/many have said the temptation to use the "war card"/kinetic attack now upon China while they can maybe a path an irrational,demented ,hateful man like Trump might just employ lest he lose everything-I hope/pray that Beijing is ready for anything and the westoids will devour themselves.