No. The pilots in this incident were from Chongqing and the encounter happened in 2024 while the previous incident happened in 2023 and 杜凤瑞大队 were responsible.
China Flanker Thread III (land based, exclude J-15)
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No. The pilots in this incident were from Chongqing and the encounter happened in 2024 while the previous incident happened in 2023 and 杜凤瑞大队 were responsible.
Right, so at least we can fairly confident say it is different events.
In which case it's a matter of how to interpret the cryptic language about the identity of the opfor aircraft from this event then.
Edit: I'd also add that I would caution people from drawing too many conclusions from a set (even a number) of interactions where PLA aircraft seem to come out "ahead". I suspect these sort of close encounters between PLA and US aircraft are far more common than we think, and we don't know what the true outcome rate for them are like, and the information we have of a few encounters are samples that may not be practically representative.
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When is TWZ or Defence Blog gonna report on this? I thought that they loved reporting Chinese defense news.
This bloke revealed that J-11B also has some “interesting” gun camera footage.
-Blitzo edit: inappropriate meme removed
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Current cope by Chinese liberals/NAFOs are pretty creative. You’d think that they’d just dismiss the whole thing as SeeSeePee propaganda but no… Get a load of this — “F-35 and F-22 got locked on by Chinese jets on purpose because they are gathering flight envelope data for the CCAs…”
While we're on this topic, there is a lot of noise about how the other incident was edited and that the subjects were switched
During one East China Sea contingency operation, two of our J-[][]s confronted two U.S. F-35s at close range. After my lead aircraft crossed with the American lead, the U.S. aircraft quickly maneuvered to seize an attack position. Only with the urgent support of my wingman was the lead able to break free from the encirclement.
And there was another image used to rebut this, one posted by Ayi himself, but apparently that one was edited too... So...
During one East China Sea contingency operation, two of our J-[][]s confronted two U.S. F-35s at close range. After my lead aircraft crossed with the American lead, the U.S. aircraft quickly maneuvered to seize an attack position. Only with the urgent support of my wingman was the lead able to break free from the encirclement.
And there was another image used to rebut this, one posted by Ayi himself, but apparently that one was edited too... So...
Not necessarily totally cope.
My view is that peacetime intercepts are a really bad read on capabilities. If DACTs are to be taken with a pinch of salt due to lopsided scenarios and asymmetric ROEs, then peacetime intercepts need to taken with a whole bag of salt.
A sub tails a ship for days. A pilot gets to within stone throw distance of a OPFOR plane. A soldier stands nose to nose with the "enemy" across a LOC ... all these scenarios can only possibly occur during peacetime and only because one or more parties are simply told to ease off and not respond/retaliate.
I've been involved in opposed Exercises as light infantry. Just like DACT, even these come with some form of scripting to enable the exercise to achieve set objectives. Soldiers being soldiers, men being men, no one likes to roll over and play dead. So everybody plays fast and loose and pushes the ROE and exercise parameters as far as we can. Sure as night follows days, this builds frustration and ultimately results in actual coming to blows when Blue force comes within clubbing distance of Red forces. Now imagine this where parties are not even on the same side and are armed with live shots. Scary.
Infantry exercise may not be quite the same as air intercepts but you can imagine the potential for an international incident if one side does not back off and both sides does not want to "lose" face/bragging rights.
(though I wouldn't mind a F-35/22 being forced to land on Hainan and being sent back to the US in cut segments, preferably with no loss of life like the P-8 incident)
Ultimately, the ability of of a J-11 to outmaneuver a 5th gen F series means zero given the nature of modern Air-to-Air combat. BVR abilities means you are unlikely to merge. Even if you do merge, HOB LOAL abilities means that WVR combat is also less about getting on someone's six.
I wouldn't read too much into this other than for some internet bragging rights.
To what point? (the bragging to NAFO)
To put into perspective, NAFO trolls live in their own media bubble where they believe
- a PLAN sub sank in a river.
- a PLAN nuclear sub sank in a bay
- That PLAN sub crews have no discipline by word of mouth stories that they can be heard shouting and banging about in their subs while submerged.
The recent blue-on-blue collision between a PLAN ship and a CCG ship doesn't help matters.
Just be quietly confident. We all have seen what China has been able to pull off the last 30 years. No right minded person will believe that a country so categorically inept as what they try to portray (above) will be able to build a country as advanced as China and run as smoothly as China. The only such idiots are the 井底之蛙 (Frogs in the well) that exist within their own skewed media bubble.
Arguing with idiots just brings you down to their level.
Most aircraft never even get to "true" combat. Peacetime interactions(including their outflows into real combat) aren't unimportant.
Here is wast majority of modern air to air combat. Pay attention to vector, range and altitude.
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