Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[ougoah]

Not to mention if it was AI enhanced, the AI might just erase the all moving wingtip since it couldn't comprehend such surfaces from such acute angle

That's a good point. If it is AI enhanced, everything goes out the window.

Unless a CCA eventually is shown to be a smaller twin engined likeness of the J-50, this thing is the J-50. After all it is the only aircraft we know that exists with this specific composition.

My doubts are based on the wingtips and the box fuselage of the J-50 from the intake section right down to the engine nozzles. You can see in one of the J-50 pics just how straight that shadow line is against the fuselage. The picture of the unidentified aircraft appears to have a more rounded fuselage side and appears to have a somewhat rounded fuselage bottom. These could simply be tricks of the shadows and the lack of granularity or a result of AI enhancing a lower resolution photo/video caption.

 

[GTI]

My view exactly.

We ultimately haven't seen the real aircraft from this angle before, and picking at small minor details with the assumption that it "doens't look like this" isn't really enough to form a good basis of disproving the possibility that this is J-XDS -- because maybe the real thing just looks like that from that specific angle.

We sort of have, but in a video. That one where it’s partially obscured at one point by some construction or something in the foreground.

It’s [most likely trending on] definitely J-XDS. I’ve always thought she’s a bit of a shapeshifter.

Sharp lines / angles from underneath when flying just over head.

From the top and rear - curved lines and almost bat like.

And then loooong pointy and slender at the front with its low-drag cockpit, but also fat at the cheeks and blocky with its intakes, boundary layer control system, and huge radar.

Can’t wait to see what it actually looks like. 9 months, countless pictures and videos. But always “morphing”. This is ridiculous.

 

[ougoah]

J-50 is certainly the looker of the two 6th gen fighters. Although I think the J-36 would be king of the sky with 50% more available power, ~30% more volume, bigger weapon bays, more weapons, more sensors, more energy for weapons and sensors. Why turn and burn hard like before when you see further, see clearer, see more, shoot more, shoot with more energy and shoot better weapons.

What is curious is SAC's comment on teapot and teacups. If J-50 is manned and presumably is the teapot are they producing a new generation of CCA to be teacups in accompaniment of the J-50? The CCAs in the parade are operational and intended to be paired with aircrafts in PLAAF and PLANAF. Or are they going to be paired with these next gen fighters as well? Development timeline goes like this; 5th gen -> CCAs shown in the parade -> 6th gen -> next generation of CCAs. Gen 1 CCAs developed after J-20 but will be flying with 5th gen and 6th gen. Gen 2 CCAs developed after J-36 and J-50 and flies with 5th gen, 6th gen and 7th gen when that reaches service ie the CCAs and fighter generations are staggered but CCAs will be networked with everything that came before and comes after.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the SAC rumour about teapot and teacups imply the J-50 was a teacup and not the teapot? Or perhaps was that hint taken incorrectly and they were referring to J-36 as the teapot and the teacups are the CCAs we have today.

 

[qwerty3173]

J-50 is certainly the looker of the two 6th gen fighters. Although I think the J-36 would be king of the sky with 50% more available power, ~30% more volume, bigger weapon bays, more weapons, more sensors, more energy for weapons and sensors. Why turn and burn hard like before when you see further, see clearer, see more, shoot more, shoot with more energy and shoot better weapons.

What is curious is SAC's comment on teapot and teacups. If J-50 is manned and presumably is the teapot are they producing a new generation of CCA to be teacups in accompaniment of the J-50? The CCAs in the parade are operational and intended to be paired with aircrafts in PLAAF and PLANAF. Or are they going to be paired with these next gen fighters as well? Development timeline goes like this; 5th gen -> CCAs shown in the parade -> 6th gen -> next generation of CCAs. Gen 1 CCAs developed after J-20 but will be flying with 5th gen and 6th gen. Gen 2 CCAs developed after J-36 and J-50 and flies with 5th gen, 6th gen and 7th gen when that reaches service ie the CCAs and fighter generations are staggered but CCAs will be networked with everything that came before and comes after.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the SAC rumour about teapot and teacups imply the J-50 was a teacup and not the teapot? Or perhaps was that hint taken incorrectly and they were referring to J-36 as the teapot and the teacups are the CCAs we have today.

Both CAC and SAC have their own CCA project, however it is not guaranteed that both projects are fruitful. At least one of the projects will be shown tomorrow. Since drones have a much simpler developing cycle, the CCA projects started not very early but is already close to maturity, so it will be paraded.

 

[pokepara]

I thought the H-20 was meant to be the teapot and J-36 and J-50 were the teacups, but I could be wrong.

 

[siegecrossbow]

J-20S could already collaborate with the four CCA type drones seen at the parade. By the time J-50/J-36 achieves IOC block 2 or 3 of the same drones will be available, presumably with further optimizations such as 2D TVC nozzles, better engine, and superior radar/avionics and better AI decision making controller.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

J-20S could already collaborate with the four CCA type drones seen at the parade. By the time J-50/J-36 achieves IOC block 2 or 3 of the same drones will be available, presumably with further optimizations such as 2D TVC nozzles, better engine, and superior radar/avionics and better AI decision making controller.

Maybe a bit too much of an ask, but would be nice if future CCAs have the capability to operate in, "parade mode." Seeing the aerial portion of the 2029 parade led by a mixed formation of a J-36 flanked by 2 Shengyang 6th gen and 2 CCA would be an awe-inspiring sight indeed.

 

[AndrewS]

J-50 is certainly the looker of the two 6th gen fighters. Although I think the J-36 would be king of the sky with 50% more available power, ~30% more volume, bigger weapon bays, more weapons, more sensors, more energy for weapons and sensors. Why turn and burn hard like before when you see further, see clearer, see more, shoot more, shoot with more energy and shoot better weapons.

Wouldn't the J-36 have >50% additional volume/weight, when compared to the J-50?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Maybe a bit too much of an ask, but would be nice if future CCAs have the capability to operate in, "parade mode." Seeing the aerial portion of the 2029 parade led by a mixed formation of a J-36 flanked by 2 Shengyang 6th gen and 2 CCA would be an awe-inspiring sight indeed.

That is easier to pull off than combat mode by far. All you need to do is maintain distance between aircraft at varying air speeds. In fact I think the blue angels already have something similar on the F-18 for a while.

 

[qwerty3173]

Wouldn't the J-36 have >50% additional volume/weight, when compared to the J-50?

Judging from outward looks the difference in weight between the two is more like around 30%. J-36 looks larger than it actually is because of its ridiculous amount of wing area, this greatly enhances maneuverability and range but is far too unwieldy for carrier operations.