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Fertorstar

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The lack of retaliation by any trading partner(e for massive US tariffs that have been imposed is a true - world always chickens out - where policymakers across the world end up showing by their (non)actions the unreplicability and importance of U.S. aggregate demand to their economies, since it was as recent as 2018 where the entire world did retaliatory tariffs for U.S. steel/aluminum tariffs. The world writ large is so in need of aggregate U.S. demand to drive their economies that they will sign into perpetuity - permanent tariff inequality and simply accept unequal treatment, even in a way there weren’t a decade ago.

China’s retaliation was much less than the U.S. tariffs (China’s 10% hike vs. the U.S.’ 30% hike) and Canada WACOed in all but name
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magmunta

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I have noticed that certain users here prefer to report negative developments in the usa economy and avoid mentioning positive results. As a someone who genuinely loves the USA with its ups and downs, I am posting unexpectedly positive data: US Manufacturing PMI 53.3, Exp. 49.7, Last 49.8 US Services PMI 55.4, Exp. 54.2, Last 55.7.
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manqiangrexue

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Oh another "framework" with European leaders saying that they don't really know or specifically plan on honoring any of the promises? LOL Trump said he'd get deals done months ago. He announces deals like, "Deal done, USA got everything we wanted... just waiting for Xi to approve..." Then we never hear about it again LOL. The Euros dragging it on, aiming to wear Trump out and talk to a sane person in 2028.
The lack of retaliation by any trading partner(e for massive US tariffs that have been imposed is a true - world always chickens out - where policymakers across the world end up showing by their (non)actions the unreplicability and importance of U.S. aggregate demand to their economies, since it was as recent as 2018 where the entire world did retaliatory tariffs for U.S. steel/aluminum tariffs. The world writ large is so in need of aggregate U.S. demand to drive their economies that they will sign into perpetuity - permanent tariff inequality and simply accept unequal treatment, even in a way there weren’t a decade ago.
LOLOL You're so cute! You want to make WACO a thing? LOL It's not a thing. It's TACO all day long. Trump always pulls back and he has good reason; it's because the entire US economy is a house of cards built on nothing other than trust in the US dollar. If he pushes too hard and countries realize they don't need this paper because they can all print their own, the US is finished. The world needs US consumption like the stores in my neighborhood need me to clean all their inventory out with a truck everyday paying them with uncashable IOUs written on Burger King napkins. Literally everyone is just dragging his ass out and waiting till he leaves.

Check out the trade deficit. All his mouth-running didn't do jack shit. Pull up the 3 year and 5 year trend. No improvement over Brandon. Pull up the 10 year trend. It's higher than it was during his first term. All mouth, no results.
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Trump's deals go nowhere because everything he says he wants isn't what he actually wants. Nobody can give him nor do they have what he wants, which is the economic defeat of China. That's why he keeps lashing out even after some small weak countries "give in" by raising his demands until they also decide to just outlast him. He's putting his frustration of being constantly outdone by China on these little poor suckers that used to be America's "friends."
China’s retaliation was much less than the U.S. tariffs (China’s 10% hike vs. the U.S.’ 30% hike) and Canada WACOed in all but name
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China's trade surplus and volume rose to an all time high. Its GDP grows by at least 5% per quarter while Trump put the US GDP into the negative last quarter with jobs data being revised down 90% and inflation basically no longer calculated but just guesstimated to be what they want it to be. US put the semiconductor ban on China and China made our own leaving US chips begging to get back into our market. "America's" biggest chip maker looks like this; just give up LMFAO:
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China put the rare earths ban on the US and they're trying to negotiate it down to restrictions and controls. Country of engineers vs country of loudmouth lawyers, and you, being of the latter, judge based on words rather than results, or rather, you cope with words because the results won't allow it.

There's talks about tariffs against the Canadians in the US and there's actual boycotts against the US in Canada. Trump talks; Canada punches. TACO
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HighGround

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Consumer spending is slowing when your consumer base is increasingly tying up their money in house/rent payments, car payments, subscription services, rising living expenses.

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Rising consumer debt is not necessarily bad or an issue. What's more important is the ratio of expenses to income.

There is really only one way to fundamentally "save" the US economy from a macro-perspective.

A. Massively expand housing supply to deflate prices (this is going to require significant zoning/regulatory reform).
B. Drop interest rates to allow existing homeowners to refinance and to flood cheap credit to developers/new business.
C. Drop tariffs and do more free trade than ever to massively drop consumer good prices.
D. Education reform and massive government R&D investment.

Note that I didn't say bring manufacturing back because it's ultimately irrelevant. US has its own strengths, other trade partners (like China) can bring their own strengths to lower prices for US consumers. In the long-run, what brings manufacturing back is the educated/skilled workforce, automation, good business climate.

But this will never be done. US Has a systemic issue with governenace that... probably needs either constitutional reform, or New Deal type political dominance (post WW2 style).
 

Heresy

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the post-Covid crash in corporate bankruptcies is readily evident once the cares act money starting gushing out of DC

Your examples only run to 2023. Lots of things have happened between 2023 and now. Why don't you show a picture of data to 2025?
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Again, stop fucking lying. I'm going to renew my call for moderator actions to be taken. And if any other member wants to attempt anything enterprising to keep Sleepy from continually harassing this community, I'm all for it.
 

henrik

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Consumer spending is slowing when your consumer base is increasingly tying up their money in house/rent payments, car payments, subscription services, rising living expenses.

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Rising consumer debt is not necessarily bad or an issue. What's more important is the ratio of expenses to income.

There is really only one way to fundamentally "save" the US economy from a macro-perspective.

A. Massively expand housing supply to deflate prices (this is going to require significant zoning/regulatory reform).
B. Drop interest rates to allow existing homeowners to refinance and to flood cheap credit to developers/new business.
C. Drop tariffs and do more free trade than ever to massively drop consumer good prices.
D. Education reform and massive government R&D investment.

Note that I didn't say bring manufacturing back because it's ultimately irrelevant. US has its own strengths, other trade partners (like China) can bring their own strengths to lower prices for US consumers. In the long-run, what brings manufacturing back is the educated/skilled workforce, automation, good business climate.

But this will never be done. US Has a systemic issue with governenace that... probably needs either constitutional reform, or New Deal type political dominance (post WW2 style).

They really need to import millions of affordable and superior Chinese EVs to solve this automobile loan debt.
 
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