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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1957363661858615549

Poor tejas avatar guy in the comments, someone should've called an ambulance...

Looks like PL-15 hit more Rafales than they have brought down. One of them was lucky enough to limp to base.

By the way, another piece of Ukrainian experience holds up elsewhere. And indeed another big reason we should wait for actual Indian admission of losses.

 

[sutton999]

This must be the one Allan warnes mentioned the '4th' rafale that was declared unrepairable

5th may not be repairable;
4th is a crash landing, write off.

 

[Deino]

5th may not be repairable;
4th is a crash landing, write off.

May I ask what’s your source on this?

 

[sutton999]

May I ask what’s your source on this?

some posts on defensepk,

 

[Maikeru]

some posts on defensepk,

Ah, well you don't get more credible than that.

I suspect a lot of the present Indian BS about Pakistani losses is preparing the ground to admit India's own losses.

 

[siegecrossbow]

These quotes are useful to keep in mind whenever the next Indo-Pak clash takes place. The Pakistani side's statements have aged quite well whereas the Indian side has gone from bad to worse. So for upcoming statements, I will depreciate anything the Indian side says given their poor track record.

As an aside, the fact that a Rafale managed to survive explains why the Pakistanis thought they had downed 5 or 6 planes. Apparently they assumed every hit was also a confirmed KIA. An honest mistake.

BTW, I am not so convinced that Rafale is as bad a plane as some assumed here. Equipment is only as good as the crew that uses it and if incompetents use it, then it hardly makes much sense to blame the planes. Though I will concede that Rafales are probably overpriced. But this is what India has to pay given that they have snubbed Russian jets and refuse to buy from China.

No one thinks Rafale is a bad plane. We just hate how Bhakts overhype them as J-20 killers.

 

[mossen]

India been catching Ls lately. Here's the latest one. Safe to say, Chinese air dominance over the Himalayas will remain.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1957296004685779375

Another signal that the US won't give India the same treatment it gave to China during the 1990s and 2000s. Moreover, India is much further behind in its arms industry development than China was during a similar stage of development.

Indian elites still retain a crippling delusion that foreign arms manufacturers will just give away their crown jewels because India is simply too big and important or something. Needless to say, this fantasy has not been borne out and there's no indication that it will any time in the future either.

 

[siegecrossbow]

No one thinks Rafale is a bad plane. We just hate how Bhakts overhype them as J-20 killers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1957752956503380473

Deeply demoralizing if true.

 

[bebops]

Were there any deals discussed on China diplomat visit to India? Some people said 50-50 civilian projects, tech transfer, rare earth were involved in the talk.

 

[bebops]

Another signal that the US won't give India the same treatment it gave to China during the 1990s and 2000s. Moreover, India is much further behind in its arms industry development than China was during a similar stage of development.

Indian elites still retain a crippling delusion that foreign arms manufacturers will just give away their crown jewels because India is simply too big and important or something. Needless to say, this fantasy has not been borne out and there's no indication that it will any time in the future either.

The best India can do is to have Indian students in America or Europe absorbed as much knowledge as possible through postdoctoral research, academic research and work experience then bring all of that back home to develop their motherland.

USA isn't going to outsource manufacturers oversea like they did during 2000s.