2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[FriedRiceNSpice]

@manqiangrexue @PLAwatcher12 please continue the debate on another thread.

 

[PLAwatcher12]

I could give a crap about Israeli civilians if they stopped their genocide in gaza after having killed Yahya Sinwar.
They give the guy a martyr's death and it would have been a good moment to say we spanked Hamas hard enough for Okt 7, we got our revenge.

But no they started applying harder starvation tactics for the whole world to see.

So you’re doing what Israel does, not caring about the civilians because their government is bad

well given that Israel bombed Iran while Iran was in talks with an untrusted party that is actively plotting to kill them, it kinda makes sense that Iran has finally gotten fed up and simply considers all of Israel as the enemy, civilian or not. In the time of war that Israel has started, it no longer matters who is a civilian or not given Israel’s lack of respect for such norms. If Iran has no choice but to fight back no matter the cost, then I guess Iran simply has no choice but to fight on as hard as possible as no alternative is given as of now that doesn’t involve humiliation on their part. Israel started this fight and Iran has no choice to end it by any means necessary. If one compares the support America has gotten from the whole Afghan war and the support it has now, it’s quite telling that most of the world simply doesn’t have much in way of sympathy for both Israel and the USA as of now. I hope Trump has it in him to stop his madness because if he doesn’t, his presidency will end up having a horrible legacy to put it mildly



It is quite easy for most people to side with Gaza and Iran in regards to Israels extremely poor conduct these days (I mean open genocide is happening right now no matter what you try to say to cover this truth up), whether one loves Jews or not, Netanyahu actions hasn’t really helped the nations reputation one bit during his tenure as president. Also the word antisemitism has been used so often as a defence for Israel’s action that over time, it simply has lost the sort of impact it once would’ve had. If he is considered horrible for being disgusted at Israel’s conduct, then I must admit your blind support of Israel despite their actions should be equally deplorable. There is a reason why the world as a general whole is turning against Israel and no I don’t mean the western leaders who I am convinced are androids who have long since a lost the ability to feel years ago. Even on twitter where most of the Iran strikes are being reported, all I seem to see is that the majority of the responders don’t seem to have much sympathy for Israel’s plight to put it mildly

I don’t care if Iran bombs isreal, and no he’s not evil for not liking the government I don’t like the Israeli government but you won’t find be cheering or wanting Israel citizens to die or not caring about because if you are a good person no matter what you think of a countries leadership or the country in general doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care if innocent people die.

 

[manqiangrexue]

So you’re doing what Israel does, not caring about the civilians because their government is bad

Yeah, doing the same thing to someone after they did it to you, doesn't make you the same. Stabbing someone back who just stabbed you doesn't make you both assailants. He's the assailant, and you are acting in self defense. It's a universal concept.

I don’t care if Iran bombs isreal, and no he’s not evil for not liking the government I don’t like the Israeli government but you won’t find be cheering or wanting Israel citizens to die or not caring about because if you are a good person no matter what you think of a countries leadership or the country in general doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care if innocent people die.

Except they all said they're guilty, so what's immoral about delivering their justice to those who admit they deserve it?

You're so funny, always imagining "innocents" and "civilians" when they've all said that no one is innocent.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

So you’re doing what Israel does, not caring about the civilians because their government is bad

To quote the great khan

“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”

I'll leave it at that, we will just have to agree to disagree about these moral points.

 

[PLAwatcher12]

Yes, your reasoning and pretend "morals" are.

Except they all said they're guilty, so what's immoral about delivering their justice to those who admit they deserve it?

The bold part I think is the stupidest thing that I've ever heard. Just because a people are so evil that they actively commit genocide onto others... doesn't mean that deserve it back LOL. Just because you're trying to kill someone doesn't mean they should try to kill you back. LOLOL The hilarity....

LOLOL No. Anyone who is fair knows that the country that started it holds responsibility for the conflict.

Except they all said they're guilty, so what's immoral about delivering their justice to those who admit they deserve it?

Except they all said they're guilty, so what's immoral about delivering their justice to those who admit they deserve it?

You really are an evil person huh? I don’t care what they say they can say whatever they want to they are still civilians who are innocent and no just because a government commits genocide doesn’t mean that countries civilians should be genocided too. Should German citizens have been mass killed during ww2? The Japanese? No they shouldn’t

Yeah, doing the same thing to someone after they did it to you, doesn't make you the same. Stabbing someone back who just stabbed you doesn't make you both assailants. He's the assailant, and you are acting in self defense. It's a universal concept.

Except they all said they're guilty, so what's immoral about delivering their justice to those who admit they deserve it?

You're so funny, always imagining "innocents" and "civilians" when they've all said that no one is innocent.

like I said they can say what they want that’s what freedom of expression is, it might be evil to say but doesn’t mean they should die. And no in war if someone commits genocide you shouldn’t do the same to that country because both are wrong. Your brain is really messed up

 

[RedBaron]

Part I bolded is honestly a stunning admission because it demonstrates how little Iranians know their enemy. Israel and US never play fair. They never negotiate in good faith. Did they not learn anything from Nasrallah's assassination at least?

IRGC Major General Mohsen Rezaei:

'We were sure since March that there would be war with Israel. We had prepared for this scenario extensively. However, we did not expect it before the end of negotiations, that was a surprise.

Because of our awareness that war would be imposed on us, our missile capabilities significantly increased in the last three months.'

@Middle_East_Spectator

 

[manqiangrexue]

You really are an evil person huh?

No, but it's a common feeling to those here who have to endure the frustration of being logically ragdolled by me. Unlike you, I am actually a person with a deep sense of fairness and justice and I know that Israel deserves everything that it has inflicted onto others and their civilians all cheered for it and declared that "no one is innocent" when their soldiers murdered children so they deserve everything right back at them.

I don’t care what they say they can say whatever they want to they are still civilians who are innocent

LOL Oh you don't care what others say they are; you get to dictate what they are? LOL The nerve

and no just because a government commits genocide doesn’t mean that countries civilians should be genocided too.

If their citizens didn't support it, maybe

Should German citizens have been mass killed during ww2? The Japanese? No they shouldn’t

Cus they surrendered, or they would have. If Israel surrenders, I would say let them live, but they are actively still killing children in Gaza now.

like I said they can say what they want that’s what freedom of expression is, it might be evil to say but doesn’t mean they should die.

I think you're confused. They didn't just say it; they did it. The inflicted all that evil onto others so they deserve it back. Freedom of speech doesn't extend to actions, does it?

And no in war if someone commits genocide you shouldn’t do the same to that country because both are wrong.

Like I said, I bet you would drop your crap in a moment if someone were trying to murder you and you could murder them back. But all of a sudden when you're not involved, you can make Mother Teresa cringe.

Your brain is really messed up

Go look at our interactions and see how many people agree with me and how many with you. My newsfeed is overloaded with support right now. I have people inboxing me telling me not to deal with crazy trolls like you. We must all be driving on the wrong side of the road with you the only one in the right, eh? LOL

 

[PLAwatcher12]

No, but it's a common feeling to those here who have to endure the frustration of being logically ragdolled by me. Unlike you, I am actually a person with a deep sense of fairness and justice and I know that Israel deserves everything that it has inflicted onto others and their civilians all cheered for it and declared that "no one is innocent" when their soldiers murdered children so they deserve everything right back at them.

LOL Oh you don't care what others say they are; you get to dictate what they are? LOL The nerve

If their citizens didn't support it, maybe

Cus they surrendered, or they would have. If Israel surrenders, I would say let them live, but they are actively still killing children in Gaza now.

I think you're confused. They didn't just say it; they did it. The inflicted all that evil onto others so they deserve it back.

Like I said, I bet you would drop your crap in a moment if someone were trying to murder you and you could murder them back. But all of a sudden when you're not involved, you can make Mother Teresa cringe.

Go look at our interactions and see how many people agree with me and how many with you. We must all be driving on the wrong side of the road with you the only one in the right, eh? LOL

Other insane people agreeing if you doesn’t make you reasonable many people agreed with the Nazis doesn’t make them reasonable. And if someone was trying to kill me I have self defense to fight back. Commiting genocide isn’t self defense and no they wouldn’t have because they weren’t crazy good thing your not a word leader and no fair person thinks people deserve to die because of the actions of their government or the words they say.

 

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[Bellum_Romanum]

1: we have zero proof that hospital was also a command center that’s the same flawed logic isreal uses to bomb whatever they want in Gaza.

2: 2 wrongs never make right, just because someone does something horrible to you doesn’t mean you should do the same or that doing the same makes it okay especially when it comes to civilians.

3: it’s not killing civilians won’t make peace it has and never will.

Lol here comes the moral police. Dude, what western wars have you not read or learned? Sheesh the heck up with your moralistic grandstanding because it's pathetic.