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AssassinsMace

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This video shows how out of touch Western liberals are with the world. They just don't understand why everyone just doesn't just do what they want. That's what is essentially being said because it's framed as the Western liberal order against everyone else in the world and that's including MAGA in with everyone else.

This British politician conveniently leaves out his country's role in screwing up the world in the first place. You know why Europe is having such a hard time dealing with China in a Trump world? Yes Europe hold on to your principles, that you ignored in raping and colonizing the world, and slowly circle down the drain to the West's ultimate demise.

Climate change was brought up. They cry about the world's retreat is an attack on the poor. Like how the West wants to stop Chinese green energy technology, started by liberal Obama, because they can't compete against it because it's cheaper meaning affordable to the poor in the world...? China is the only major country that's keeping up with their promises while Europe is breaking them because of energy dependency on Russia that they don't like. If it were any other non-Western country, that would be an unacceptable excuse.

The liberals bring up these things but they're a part of the problem. They can identify problems but then they leave out important information that shows how it's their fault also. They bring up Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's leader under Western occupation, laughing about how the US forced him to identify himself as he/him on a document once. That's Western liberals' fault wanting to force their DEI principles onto the world. Laughing at something that was all your fault in the first place...?

And they expect the world to follow their lead...? It's no different from how the West brought Catholicism to the Philippines but they criticize the homophobic views of some of their political leaders have there that their religion brought to the Philippines in the first place. Western liberals hide behind freedom of religion and yet they feel no responsibility for the ills that come with it. It's the typical strategy of how the West wants to hate people looking a reason to make people bend over backward just to prove that they're not. That way they're always are in control.
 
Randomuser

Randomuser

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AssassinsMace said:

This video shows how out of touch Western liberals are with the world. They just don't understand why everyone just doesn't just do what they want. That's what is essentially being said because it's framed as the Western liberal order against everyone else in the world and that's including MAGA in with everyone else.

This British politician conveniently leaves out his country's role in screwing up the world in the first place. You know why Europe is having such a hard time dealing with China in a Trump world? Yes Europe hold on to your principles, that you ignored in raping and colonizing the world, and slowly circle down the drain to the West's ultimate demise.

Climate change was brought up. They cry about the world's retreat is an attack on the poor. Like how the West wants to stop Chinese green energy technology, started by liberal Obama, because they can't compete against it because it's cheaper meaning affordable to the poor in the world...? China is the only major country that's keeping up with their promises while Europe is breaking them because of energy dependency on Russia that they don't like. If it were any other non-Western country, that would be an unacceptable excuse.

The liberals bring up these things but they're a part of the problem. They can identify problems but then they leave out important information that shows how it's their fault also. They bring up Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's leader under Western occupation, laughing about how the US forced him to identify himself as he/him on a document once. That's Western liberals' fault wanting to force their DEI principles onto the world. Laughing at something that was all your fault in the first place...?

And they expect the world to follow their lead...? It's no different from how the West brought Catholicism to the Philippines but they criticize the homophobic views of some of their political leaders have there that their religion brought to the Philippines in the first place. Western liberals hide behind freedom of religion and yet they feel no responsibility for the ills that come with it. It's the typical strategy of how the West wants to hate people looking a reason to make people bend over backward just to prove that they're not. That way they're always are in control.
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It's much simpler. How did they gain control of the world? Through force. Now that they have been weakened, they no longer can possess such force since others can hit them back. Suddenly no one has a reason to listen to them.
 
Phead128

Phead128

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dingyibvs said:
Just to repeat my reasoning for Chinese intervention. In the event of AR, the expected Western response is a blockade far from Chinese shores in the IOR. China does not have the expeditionary force to contest this effectively, it will need to rely on land links to help "port hop" its way west, and Iran would be a key part of it. Now, do you think it's easier to do this now or wait until US troops are entrenched in Iran with the backing of a puppet government?
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China already planned for potential Malacca oil blockade decades ago, that's why it heavily invested in the Gwadar port in Pakistan to have land links with Middle East and specifically Iran in order to bypass Malacca straits and Hormuz straits blockade by USN. Gwadar port is very close to Iranian border (120km distance) and very close Chabadhar port (170km).

Gwadar port already serves it's purpose to connect Middle East and Xinjiang to bypass the Malacca straits. I don't understand why China needs more ports or links inside Iran? The "only oceanic Iranian port" is Chabadhar port which is Indian-led investment, no way China taking over it.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

FriedRiceNSpice

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Phead128 said:
China already planned for potential Malacca oil blockade decades ago, that's why it heavily invested in the Gwadar port in Pakistan to have land links with Middle East and specifically Iran in order to bypass Malacca straits and Hormuz straits blockade by USN. Gwadar port is very close to Iranian border (120km distance) and very close Chabadhar port (170km).
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But if Iran was hostile, how is oil actually going to reach Pakistan from those land links through Iran?
 
FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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dingyibvs said:
I don't know why people keep looking at this as China helping Iran. China isn't in the business to hand out charities, it would intervene in Iran for its own benefit. Iran would benefit too, but they'll have to pay for it as I listed already in my previous posts. The deal can work because in that case the interests would align. If they don't then China won't intervene, as it hasn't at least not overtly.

Just to repeat my reasoning for Chinese intervention. In the event of AR, the expected Western response is a blockade far from Chinese shores in the IOR. China does not have the expeditionary force to contest this effectively, it will need to rely on land links to help "port hop" its way west, and Iran would be a key part of it. Now, do you think it's easier to do this now or wait until US troops are entrenched in Iran with the backing of a puppet government?
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PLAAF can contest in the Indian Ocean by overflying Myanmar from Yunnan and if needed, tanking up over Myanmar.

Also, with help of forward observers and satellites, DF-26 from Xinjiang and Tibet can hit as far as the Arabian Sea.

It's really hard to beat China regardless of their motivation to do so. If it was that easy they would've just done it already.
 
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