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reservior dogs

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Pretty much all RE is involved in weapons. China may play nice with Japan and EU and let them have some but shipments and destination and final use will be rigorously monitored to prevent them going to US. This kind of measures is being done right now, this shows China is serious and this is not going to be a short term thing
Look at the bigger picture. All the Chinese have to do is to keep making progress and in ten years, when they have sixth gen planes, three or four more nuclear carriers etc. plus an economy significantly larger then the U.S., they can dictate the terms. So RE is a chip that they can use to get what they want at the current moment to help them buy time til they get there. I imagine that Trump may agree to something that could not be aired publicly and need to manage the optics. For example, it may look like that the Dutch and ASML, on their own , defies Trump and suddenly had the guts to sell the best EUV machine to China after Trump meets with Xi. Some exports of RE will suddenly be approved. Actually, I am surprised that Burma was on a ban list of countries not allowed to come to the U.S. This pushes them straight into the arms of the Chinese. Coincidence? Also Trump speak of Chinese reunification was quite odd. All the bans of Chinese students, jet engines, EDA tools, I think are there to manage the optics to hide deals where Trump had to give up something unacceptable to the American public. These restrictions will quietly be lifted later.

One thing that is likely is that the Chinese, even if they are willing to release the RE again, will release them in quantities that won't allow the West to build up an inventory, just enough for use. That way they can tighten control again at a later date. Keep them hungry.

The fact that Trump is going to China means that maybe in private, Trump agreed to many of their demands.
 

Hyper

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Look at the bigger picture. All the Chinese have to do is to keep making progress and in ten years, when they have sixth gen planes, three or four more nuclear carriers etc. plus an economy significantly larger then the U.S., they can dictate the terms. So RE is a chip that they can use to get what they want at the current moment to help them buy time til they get there. I imagine that Trump may agree to something that could not be aired publicly and need to manage the optics. For example, it may look like that the Dutch and ASML, on their own , defies Trump and suddenly had the guts to sell the best EUV machine to China after Trump meets with Xi. Some exports of RE will suddenly be approved. Actually, I am surprised that Burma was on a ban list of countries not allowed to come to the U.S. This pushes them straight into the arms of the Chinese. Coincidence? Also Trump speak of Chinese reunification was quite odd. All the bans of Chinese students, jet engines, EDA tools, I think are there to manage the optics to hide deals where Trump had to give up something unacceptable to the American public. These restrictions will quietly be lifted later.

One thing that is likely is that the Chinese, even if they are willing to release the RE again, will release them in quantities that won't allow the West to build up an inventory, just enough for use. That way they can tighten control again at a later date. Keep them hungry.

The fact that Trump is going to China means that maybe in private, Trump agreed to many of their demands.
The call just happened yesterday. Let's wait for a few more days. You can't understand everything with this administration until some days have passed and the actions become clear after they have happened. Also please remember, apart from the Middle East countries can't gift things like a jet to Trump because they are not that flush with cash to give such gifts.
 

enroger

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Look at the bigger picture. All the Chinese have to do is to keep making progress and in ten years, when they have sixth gen planes, three or four more nuclear carriers etc. plus an economy significantly larger then the U.S., they can dictate the terms. So RE is a chip that they can use to get what they want at the current moment to help them buy time til they get there. I imagine that Trump may agree to something that could not be aired publicly and need to manage the optics. For example, it may look like that the Dutch and ASML, on their own , defies Trump and suddenly had the guts to sell the best EUV machine to China after Trump meets with Xi. Some exports of RE will suddenly be approved. Actually, I am surprised that Burma was on a ban list of countries not allowed to come to the U.S. This pushes them straight into the arms of the Chinese. Coincidence? Also Trump speak of Chinese reunification was quite odd. All the bans of Chinese students, jet engines, EDA tools, I think are there to manage the optics to hide deals where Trump had to give up something unacceptable to the American public. These restrictions will quietly be lifted later.

One thing that is likely is that the Chinese, even if they are willing to release the RE again, will release them in quantities that won't allow the West to build up an inventory, just enough for use. That way they can tighten control again at a later date. Keep them hungry.

The fact that Trump is going to China means that maybe in private, Trump agreed to many of their demands.

Yeah it will take very very significant concessions from Trump to lift some restriction, in fact I'm not sure if Trump is even capable of such concessions. Honestly, stuffs like EUV or EDA ban or Student Visa...etc, these things are not nearly as important as they were say 5 years earlier.

Publicly denouncing Taiwan independence and endorsing unification and cancel all arms sells, then maybe....just maybe. Only If he eliminate the threat of war between China and US can a deal be made wrt RE, after all this is the fundamental rationale for RE restriction
 

Hyper

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Agree. But here are all the ways Trump can fuck up Elon.

NHTSA : Robotaxi and autonomous vehicle regulation.

FAA: SpaceX rocket launches.

NASA: Space X launches.

FCC: Starlink.

You want to go to war with Trump. Ask people at Harvard how that goes.
It goes well. Courts end up stopping him.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Moderator - World Affairs
Yeah it will take very very significant concessions from Trump to lift some restriction, in fact I'm not sure if Trump is even capable of such concessions. Honestly, stuffs like EUV or EDA ban or Student Visa...etc, these things are not nearly as important as they were say 5 years earlier.

Publicly denouncing Taiwan independence and endorsing unification and cancel all arms sells, then maybe....just maybe. Only If he eliminate the threat of war between China and US can a deal be made wrt RE, after all this is the fundamental rationale for RE restriction
There is nothing worth more than limiting the entire West’s ability to produce weapons. So what if C-919 is delayed for a few years? So what if no Chinese can study in the US? So what if Us promised to play nice with ROC (as if American promises worth the toilet paper they are written on)? We are talking about an existential threat. Only the real hard power matters.
 

enroger

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There is nothing worth more than limiting the entire West’s ability to produce weapons. So what if C-919 is delayed for a few years? So what if no Chinese can study in the US? So what if Us promised to play nice with ROC (as if American promises worth the toilet paper they are written on)? We are talking about an existential threat. Only the real hard power matters.

Hard agree
 

Hyper

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Registered Member
Yeah it will take very very significant concessions from Trump to lift some restriction, in fact I'm not sure if Trump is even capable of such concessions. Honestly, stuffs like EUV or EDA ban or Student Visa...etc, these things are not nearly as important as they were say 5 years earlier.

Publicly denouncing Taiwan independence and endorsing unification and cancel all arms sells, then maybe....just maybe. Only If he eliminate the threat of war between China and US can a deal be made wrt RE, after all this is the fundamental rationale for RE restriction
One phone call and every one over hear is trying to find ways for appeasement. No it does not work like that. You can't keep appeasing him endlessly. Apart from the middle East countries can't gift jeta or buy memecoins.
 
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