Damn, these Pak presentations are too detailed. They even tracked Brahmos going off track, they do have the evidence. I have much more respect for their credibility now.
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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This is fake. Not possible to do this type of counts unless neutral parties are involved on both sides.
Now Compare that with the Indian Air Marshal statement on Pakistan’s aircraft (no evidence, can't tell anything but we believe we did it!)
Take my word for it bro.
There's proof for drones, which is probably what he meant lol
"We DEFINITELY did it!" is what kids would say to parents about homework when they can't show evidence. LOL
That said, some of them have learned:
Captain Jawahar Bhagwat, former commander of INS Chakra, SSN, sent in his take on the IAF-PAF tussle in Sindoor which is worth quoting (as he sent it, almost in blank verse!):
“Saab Erieye AWACS patrolling silently
J-10C fighters flying in passive mode
PL-15E missiles—the export PL-15E, the domestic variant with over 300 km reach and Mach 5 speed—locked in and fired
The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away. At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds. Not enough to react. Not enough to survive.”
The IAF presence over J&K was sparse in 2 of the 3 days. Why?
“Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.”
And, as Captain Bhagwat correctly noted while a spendthrift IAF invested in prohibitively priced weapons platforms, like the Rafale, the PAF invested in the “kill chain” inclusive of a few J-10Cs, Saab AWACS and mostly long range A2A ordnance. Recall how the Rafale was ballyhooed by Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa, CAS at the time of the failed 2019 Balakot strike who, not too long ago rued the fact that he did not have the Rafale for that action.
Where’s the money?
I hope Pakistan doesn't neglect the ground element just because they have an edge over the Indians in the air. It is lucky that large scale ground war did not break out this time but keep in mind it is always possible and if ground war does break out it would be the decisive factor, even to the point of changing the map. And air superiority does not necessarily translate to ground dominance as demonstrated in Russo-Ukraine war.
So I hope Pakistan Army do study Russo-Ukraine war to great detail and figure out the doctrinal and industrial components of drone warfare. I believe Pakistan need more works on suicide drones for long range strike and FPV drones on short range ground battle.
Another point is when IAF can't fight PAF in the air, they can always resort to bombing the airfields PAF operates from, as evident in this conflict. Pakistan still needs to improve on air defense, more layered AD with close in defense against drones. Maybe purchasing something like 625E and short range laser systems like LW-30 to beef up defense against drones and GBAD system more optimized against BM.
Of course all that is expensive, Pakistan's economy will be the basis of all that, imo this is the real challenge for Pakistan
