The Kashmir conflict 2025.

[Han Patriot]

It wasn't, actually. If it were, PAF would be flying over Delhi right now.



My take, IAF jets were vulnerable as they were focused on targeting the camps. This made the job of PAF easier. If PAF were that superior to IAF as you are making it out to be, we would have seen more IAF jets going down over the next two days. The air battle has been intense.



Sargodha AFB has indeed been hit. The blast video was from Kirana hills, reported to be one of Pakistan's nuclear weapons storage site. Sargodha is the nearest base, which probably caused the confusion.

If this was an Indian attack, then it was kind of a message too. The blast site is just a few km away from the bunker according to OSINT accounts.

It is 4 actually. Akhnoor, Pampore, Ramban, Bathinda, all matching PAF coordinates presented. I was quick to take the screenshot before GOI did a media blackout. Deccan Herald, Hindustan Times and The Hindu all reported it. Reuters is the only with their reports intact. Later, India MSM onlyl admitted to one crash in Bathinda and this is the only one not deleted. Evem Shiv Aroor posted 3 planes down before deleting it, i was reading his tweet when he gor thrashed by indians for exposing it.

Look, everybody has ego and want to appear strong and winning but facts are facts. We have video evidence, we have 3 unexplained Baker seat ejections, we have an Indian minister saying he will provide more info after this is over when asked about those Pak shotdown. We have the whole world ridiculing India on this even om Anti Chinese Taiwan media channels. We have Modi banning 8000 Twitter accounts in India including Pravin Sawhney. This is just desperate.

During the Balakot incident, i was doubting Pak shooting down a Su30, but after seeing Indias performance now i am starting to believe Pak accounts. India was denying Abhinandan capture for days even had a funeral for him, until Pak paraded him. Lolol

 

[TaskDakota]

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[manqiangrexue]

Damn! You too. From 'humiliating defeat' to 'an even draw'. Cool.

First night humiliating defeat. After that, not including the first night, a draw. Both sides bombed each other without any evidence of significant damage. If you lose round 1, draw round 2, you lose. If you think I changed my stance, cite where I said differently.

Uh you see, CNN was quoting Pakistani officials. So, yeah, not believable.

Uh you see, you said CNN was reliable. So yeah, anything said by India is not believable, especially as it is the only 1 of the 2 countries to black out the electricity and twitter accounts in the area.

Thanks you. You need to come up with better snark than "a completely normal person".

Don't confuse a completely normal person with a completely normal Indian. Those 2 are very different and you are clearly the latter, not the former.

 

[N00B]

I wouldn't be surprised that even CAP did not have them

I would be. Very much. IAF can't be that bad. This is like going to an exam hall without a pen.

Is... that a brag?

It's called a joke.

I am responding to this because I am afraid you would genuinely not understand.

Uh you see, you said CNN was believable.

Not when they are quoting Pakistani/Indian officials. This should be obvious.

It is 4 actually. Akhnoor, Pampore, Ramban, Bathinda, all matching PAF coordinates presented.

From what I have seen, only two looks confirmed. One Rafale at Bhatinda and another one - Mirage 2000 or MiG 29 - somewhere in Kashmir. French and American sources also agree on this number.

 

[SteelBird]

In what world would you even start talking about deterrence when the result is, word-for-word from you, "India may lose some, but Pakistan won't come out unscathed either"?? With population and defence budget 6-7x larger than Pakistan and that's all you can achieve?

Was downing your rafale also part of your plan to establish that deterrence. Damn man, the PAF SURELY shaking their boots from downing the Rafale, because now India have access to the charred PL-15E!!
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Oh guys of course we all forgot. It's PAKISTAN who started the Operation Tandoori Chicken on May 7 and started this whole shooting war. How could we ever miss this..

What a fuckin joke man lmao, I really got a dejavu to 5 years ago.

I think this has been discussed several dozen times before, I will answer you once again.

First, we know that PL-15E is about 4 meters in length, the one in the photo above is only about 2 meters. Warhead lost, what can you do with the engine and fuel compartment? At the worst case, India recovers the warhead of that missile, it's a PL-15E, the export version of PL-15. Do you think that everything in the export version is the same as the domestic version? In case India wants reverse engineered the PL-15E, I'd suggest them to do that with Meteor which is considered more advanced.

Conclusion: India didn't lose to J-10C or PL-15E but lost to its pilot training, hardware maintenance and combat doctrine. Not a few words can describe all.

PS. The truce is so fragile, and the two nations will not ceasefire that easily. More violations to the truce are on the way, more fighting expected. Just not sure how things may happen.

 

[manqiangrexue]

It's called a joke.

I am responding to this because I am afraid you would genuinely not understand.

The IAF is the joke that Indians don't understand.

Not when they are quoting Pakistani/Indian officials. This should be obvious.

This is a conversation amongst India, Pakistan, and the US. Whom do you want to trust?

From what I have seen, only two looks confirmed. One Rafale at Bhatinda and another one - Mirage 2000 or MiG 29 - somewhere in Kashmir. French and American sources also agree on this number.

You cannot confuse a Mirage 2000 with a MiG-29. They have different ejection seats and different engines. If you're seeing evidence of both, then it's both.

 

[Han Patriot]

From what I have seen, only two looks confirmed. One Rafale at Bhatinda and another one - Mirage 2000 or MiG 29 - somewhere in Kashmir. French and American sources also agree on this number.

French sources sources said at least 1 Rafale and they are checking whethr India is hiding anymore. American sources said AT Least 2. If we didn't expose this India would have continued to deny brag and boast as usual. Modi said not an inch lost remember? While begging China to retreat to pre crisis positions. I think only early this year we agreed on condition that Nobody goes in there, becoming a permanent buffer zone as we intendes until Indian were trying to be funny.

Based on my interactions with Sikhs and Pakistani, basically of the same stock, these people tend to be more trustworthy with some degree of bragging but when they show facts and insist on the truth, I would believe them over a Hindu. Hindus tend to be less trustworthy, and sneaky.

 

[Gloire_bb]

I would be. Very much. IAF can't be that bad. This is like going to an exam hall without a pen.

Just thought of a very simple explanation; whether SPECTRA can recognize LPI mode of J-10c radar itself?
LPI isn't magical, but again - Spectra is advanced 1990s solution. Frequency hopping of much later radar(together with seekers) could leave pilots without warning; the question of course is what ground and AWACS operators were doing in this case.

What was the weather and cloud cover in the area; is it possible that bombing rafales were simply below overcast for their UV sensors to spot launch signatures(Rafale has no radar maws)?

 

[Han Patriot]

Just thought of a very simple explanation; whether SPECTRA can recognize LPI mode of radar itself?

What was the weather and cloud cover in the area; is it possible that bombing rafales were simply below overcast for their UV sensors to spot launch signatures?

Well even Pak didn't believe what they just did, they didn't know how incompetent those pilots were. Actually to be fair, it was a systemic failure, their Awacs was not compatible with their Rafales, they thought Rafales were some superweapon, overconfident and boastful as usual.

 

[AndrewJ]

What surprised me the most during this small war is Indian air defense. No Indian aircraft has been shot down by them so far.

Explain this. Many say it's shot down by Indian air defense. The incident is already reported in previous posts in this thread.

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