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zyklon

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Ayyy what happened to the "We'll get a deal with China within days/weeks/soon/very soon" lmao


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Bessent is still hoping for a grand bargain with China.

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Their promises of a more immediate "deal" communicate their aspirations for temporary relief from tariffs rather than the structural changes they're praying for.

Not sure if the market will fully grasp the nuance.

Regardless, DPP leaders should probably start asking themselves: "How many pieces of silver will Trump sell me for?"
 

FriedButter

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Bessent is still hoping for a grand bargain with China.

They basically want China to ship their industries to the US and for China shrink their manufacturing capacity. At the end of the day, the anti-china hawks are more or less demanding that China be reliant on US goods so they can use it as coercion.

Still, the Treasury chief said a comprehensive deal could take two to three years to hammer out. He also reiterated his view that China has stifled its consumer economy and favoured manufacturing at the U.S.’s expense, saying that any agreement would require a rebalancing of trade that allowed the U.S. to increase manufacturing.

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FriedButter

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Or in other words an ultimatum on China to economically surrender.

Trump says US will set terms if China does not agree do a trade deal​

WASHINGTON, April 22 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that if China does not agree to a deal on trade, the U.S. will set the terms.

Trump also told reporters he would be very nice in negotiations with Beijing and that tariffs on imports from the country would fall significantly following a deal, but not to zero.
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manqiangrexue

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Or in other words an ultimatum on China to economically surrender.


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I think by now, even Trump realizes there's no ultimatum that would bend China. He and his team are thinking about how to get China to accept his surrender while looking just tough enough to not get lynched by angry redneck mob in DC part 2.

Unilaterally dropping tariffs to 50-65% is Mr. Noodle Knees' olive branch.
 
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Mt1701d

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Or in other words an ultimatum on China to economically surrender.


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That’s not really an ultimatum, he is just prep-ing the masses for the ‘I set terms, therefore we keep winning’ strat, so he can U-turn, lower tariffs and still claim victory.

Then MAGA, can claim ‘Art of the deal’ BS and that’s what they had planned all along. While also spinning the narrative of we made a great offer (China becomes slave) but they didn’t go for it, seems they want their people to suffer, unlike God Emperor Trump. I am calling it now, something to this effect will happen during this week or the next.

He needs to stabilise bond market before June otherwise there is no way to unf**k the economy. So he has to lower tariffs to get the economy running again.

I think he is finally realising that he can’t just force the other countries to eat sh*t in the form of zero interest bonds to sort out the coming June bond crisis. So he has to U-turn now get the stock market back up, hopefully appease and negotiate with the US corporations and finance bros, after royally f**king them, to try and survive.
 

zyklon

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They basically want China to ship their industries to the US and for China shrink their manufacturing capacity. At the end of the day, the anti-china hawks are more or less demanding that China be reliant on US goods so they can use it as coercion.

Britain, America's #1 vassal in Europe, if not in the world (depending on how you categorize Israel), is in the process of expropriating a private Chinese company's lawful interests in a local steel factory.


If America wants Chinese factories to move stateside, then it must demonstrate its commitment to protecting the property rights of private Chinese businesses, especially given
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It's time for Uncle Sam to remind Britain what freedom™ is all about: for itself, for the Chinese owned factories that will Make America Great Again®, and for the
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(or robots) that will toil in those factories!


I think by now, even Trump realizes there's no ultimatum that would bend China. He and his team are thinking about how to get China to accept his surrender while looking just tough enough to not get lynched by angry redneck mob in DC part 2.

In all seriousness, there's an "easy" offramp for Trump: invade and if necessary occupy Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and/or another country lacking nuclear weapons.

Such a conflict or conflicts will allow Trump to:
  1. Stimulate the economy via national defense expenditures.
  2. Reduce unemployment by way of military recruitment, or if appropriate even national mobilization.
  3. Quietly suspend tariffs in the name of national security while the public and world are focused on the "shock and awe" above Tehran, Caracas, Havana and/or wherever.
  4. Strengthen domestic support from major donors (e.g. Israel Lobby) and/or key demographics (e.g. Florida's "anti-Castro" Cuban exiles) for attacking a (perceived) foreign enemy.
  5. Achieve a "rally around the flag" effect to the benefit of his own approval rating, especially if the conflict can be framed as just retaliation and righteous revenge against unwarranted foreign aggression (or just a false flag attack).
This will obviously inch the world closer to WW3, but that's not going to stop Trump if it's his popularity and legacy that's on the line.
 

Moonscape

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Britain, America's #1 vassal in Europe, if not in the world (depending on how you categorize Israel), is in the process of expropriating a private Chinese company's lawful interests in a local steel factory.


If America wants Chinese factories to move stateside, then it must demonstrate its commitment to protecting the property rights of private Chinese businesses, especially given
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It's time for Uncle Sam to remind Britain what freedom™ is all about: for itself, for the Chinese owned factories that will Make America Great Again®, and for the
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(or robots) that will toil in those factories!




In all seriousness, there's an "easy" offramp for Trump: invade and if necessary occupy Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and/or another country lacking nuclear weapons.

Such a conflict or conflicts will allow Trump to:
  1. Stimulate the economy via national defense expenditures.
  2. Reduce unemployment by way of military recruitment, or if appropriate even national mobilization.
  3. Quietly suspend tariffs in the name of national security while the public and world are focused on the "shock and awe" above Tehran, Caracas, Havana and/or wherever.
  4. Strengthen domestic support from major donors (e.g. Israel Lobby) and/or key demographics (e.g. Florida's "anti-Castro" Cuban exiles) for attacking a (perceived) foreign enemy.
  5. Achieve a "rally around the flag" effect to the benefit of his own approval rating, especially if the conflict can be framed as just retaliation and righteous revenge against unwarranted foreign aggression (or just a false flag attack).
This will obviously inch the world closer to WW3, but that's not going to stop Trump if it's his popularity and legacy that's on the line.

China should and probably will embargo the US if the US attacks Iran or Cuba.
 

Africablack

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They basically want China to ship their industries to the US and for China shrink their manufacturing capacity. At the end of the day, the anti-china hawks are more or less demanding that China be reliant on US goods so they can use it as coercion.
These people are annoying. They wanted decoupling, China is helping them with that. That's not enough, they want to start dictating to China how to restructure their economy and for China to surrender manufacturing to them while China remains a giant market for their goods. The worst kind of insult is when someone tries to insult your intelligence. Here's an idea Mr. Bessent, if you want to industrialize, good luck with that but do it on your own.
 
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