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reservior dogs

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I wouldn't worry too much about the port fee thing. Trump is free to harm the Chinese interest in any way he can dream up. The blowback would be severe. The Chinese has many cards they haven't use yet. For example, while the U.S. and Israel are threatening Iran, what if Iran happen to find a bunch of very capable missiles on their doorstep? What about the Houthis? Suppose one day, they shoot a missile that could really damage the U.S. carrier. The Chinese can also levy taxes on Boeing made planes landing on Chinese airports. The U. S., being a player with global interests, could face a lot of challenges in many countries where it has interest.
 

enroger

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If China does not respond to US port fees with its own port fees, then it can say goodbye to its ship building industry.

China's own port fees against whom? Reciprocal port fees against US made ship is useless because US shipbuilding industry is practically non-existence (I'm not against putting one up anyway just to bury the very idea of US shipbuilding industry though).

What the US port fees does is essentially increase the competitiveness of SK and Japan shipbuilding industries against China. But not by much, I predict major shipping companies will magically shit out a bunch of subsidiaries to exclusively handle shipping route to US where they concentrate all their non Chinese made ship.

Again the american overestimated their importance in global market, US bound shipping route is just a small fraction of global shipping volume much less than China's shipping volume in fact. If they keep this up it will just further shrink their volume and destroy their port business. At this point it will be cheaper to just unload cargo in Canada and Mexico and move those cargo through land route into US.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Warships cannot even fulfill a fraction of the civil ship orders. China as the largest trading nation needs to have a massive civilian ship stockpile to trade with many countries. But port fees will destroy shipping companies unless they are supported with opposite port fees.
there aren't any US civilian ships to charge port fees on and US ports are hardly the biggest in the world. They're essentially sanctioning themselves. US oil trade volume is only 1/10th of the global and merchandise volume is even less. When you aren't that big, taking the ball and going home doesn't stop the game.
 

tamsen_ikard

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there aren't any US civilian ships to charge port fees on and US ports are hardly the biggest in the world. They're essentially sanctioning themselves. US oil trade volume is only 1/10th of the global and merchandise volume is even less. When you aren't that big, taking the ball and going home doesn't stop the game.
Yes, US is not a good port fee target, but because of the port fees on Chinese made ships. Orders for new ships will move korea, japan or other places. So will have to to a counter port fee such as only Chinese made ships do not have fees or something like that.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Yes, US is not a good port fee target, but because of the port fees on Chinese made ships. Orders for new ships will move korea, japan or other places. So will have to to a counter port fee such as only Chinese made ships do not have fees or something like that.
port fees are ineffective. nothing stops ships from docking in Tijuana or Vancouver and then the freight being driven over land.

hitting Korea and Japan doesn't do anything. Why would them being harmed change US policy in any way? there are so many alternative targets to go after its not even funny. why ship for ship? Why not say, ship for plane?
 

tamsen_ikard

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port fees are ineffective. nothing stops ships from docking in Tijuana or Vancouver and then the freight being driven over land.

hitting Korea and Japan doesn't do anything. Why would them being harmed change US policy in any way? there are so many alternative targets to go after its not even funny. why ship for ship? Why not say, ship for plane?

Shipping to Mexico and such is going to be stopped using tariffs on Canada and Mexico. with Trump, huge tariffs on Mexico is pretty much inevitable. Trump wants factories in US, not in Mexico. Very soon it will happen
 

zyklon

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Shipping to Mexico and such is going to be stopped using tariffs on Canada and Mexico. with Trump, huge tariffs on Mexico is pretty much inevitable. Trump wants factories in US, not in Mexico. Very soon it will happen

Just because Trump wants something does not mean it's actually going to happen anytime soon.

Factories, especially those manufacturing "high tech" and "heavy industrial" goods at scale, require a great deal of electricity, which usually necessitates a dedicated substation.

It easily takes an American RTO/ISO a year or longer to approve a substation proposal, and then another year or two or three for construction and energization.

So while it's theoretically possible for the Trump administration to get nVidia, TSMC and whoever else to agree to build mega factories in the US, few if any of those promised factories are going to be operational "very soon" as you claim.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Just because Trump wants something does not mean it's actually going to happen anytime soon.

Factories, especially those manufacturing "high tech" and "heavy industrial" goods at scale, require a great deal of electricity, which usually necessitates a dedicated substation.

It easily takes an American RTO/ISO a year or longer to approve a substation proposal, and then another year or two or three for construction and energization.

So while it's theoretically possible for the Trump administration to get nVidia, TSMC and whoever else to agree to build mega factories in the US, few if any of those promised factories are going to be operational "very soon" as you claim.
I mean very soon tariffs on Mexico will happen not that factories will be built. :p Trump is a fool destroying US economy. So, I dont expect he will succeed on anything. But he will not stop trying since this is his last term and he thinks he is invincible after surviving the assasination.
 

jiajia99

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Shipping to Mexico and such is going to be stopped using tariffs on Canada and Mexico. with Trump, huge tariffs on Mexico is pretty much inevitable. Trump wants factories in US, not in Mexico. Very soon it will happen
That silly orange baby is not going to get his wish in that regard. He literally acts like a giant baby, expecting things to happen they way he wants it and he cries like a pansy when it doesn’t happen. At this rate, it might be better for the world to cut off trade with the USA and see if this nation finally takes a hint and actually do something to remove the source of the problem in the White House instead to letting do what ever he wants without consequences, otherwise, the USA as a nation is truly weak.
 
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