Trump 2.0 official thread

tygyg1111

Captain
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They have surrounded it with bases and continue expanding the area with more and more bases to protect their investment. What more do you expect them to do exactly? You are not making a serious argument here. On the other side you have China conducting bullshit exercises and theatrics and nobody buys that nonsense. Nobody thinks China is serious about Taiwan and deterrence on it's own borders. The US has so many ships spread out around the world and China has so many ships concentrated on it's coasts that it could easily blockade Taiwan and collapse it's economy within a week without firing a single shot, yet they refuse to do so willingly despite the risk of them looking like a joke. If China was to go the US border and start building bases right on the US coast, the US would obliterate these bases without giving it a second thought, that's why nobody even dares to attempt to do such a thing. That is the difference between the US deterrence and China's lack of it.
When you go to punch a guy, you don't telegraph your intention through body language, foot positioning and cocking your arm when you're still 1.5m away from him. When you do those things, it is to try to scare him into backing down without a fight.

When you have a dispute with someone (anyone), you don't straight up brandish your handgun whilst yelling crazily, you try discussion, reasoning, hypotheticals and other non-violent techniques first.

Because starting a physical fight is guaranteed to cost you something, and in many unforeseen ways. Like how the US has found through the 2 Trump presidencies and Covid.

This is why things are the way they are, and China isn't blasting countries left right and center. A counterexample is India, which does use violence against much smaller, weaker neighbors, but have they been anywhere near as successful as China in these 30 years?
 

zscstephen

Junior Member
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"They are coming to the table. They want to talk but there's no talk unless they pay us a lot of money on a yearly basis"

(Donald Trump)

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In Trump's case theories are unlikely to work because they are based on some knowledge and expertise that helps understand how the machine works.

But this is Trump's deal and he can give up but until then it highly depends on how he'd like to win politically.

But how?
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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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Trump and his toady yesman Lutnick-truly unaware/ignorant and stupid combined with racism and greed-the next few months will be a disaster and trying times indeed for all of us here in NorAm.China thank Heaven had the brains,resources,skills and determination to tariff-proof its economy to great degree to weather this shit-storm and kudos to XJP and his gov't crew.My biggest fear is the Orange Sociopath will actually attack China out of spiteful failure and hatefulness-Trump and gang of crazies are more deranged by the day-talk about burning down the house to get rid of the mice!!!:confused::confused::confused::confused:
I hate to even float such a grim and doomsday-like idea, but I’d rather see America, led by the most deranged administration of our time, stumble into the colossal mistake of sparking a full-on war with China. That way, China could finally flex its military grit, cleverness, and industrial muscle to crush America once and for all. The world would have no choice but to gawk at the humiliating truth: the America they once idolized is dead, and the values it used to preach have rotted away. Conservatism at its wildest and capitalism at its most ruthless need to be brought low and made to answer for their smug brutality. Sure, nothing’s set in stone, but sometimes you’ve got to roll the dice with guts, especially against a foe who’s already crowing about winning before the first punch lands. Right now, lunacy and idiocy are the fuel pumping through most Americans’ veins—and those are the very flaws that’ll bury them.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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IMO Yanis is quite right. You can watch this video for a deeper explanation of the rationale behind Trump's tariffs:


What Trump is trying to create is essentially an unequal playing field. He's leveraging America's status as the biggest consumer nation to create a trade system that excludes anyone who refuses to join it. American products don't have to be competitive with Chinese ones if the US and its vassal states either tariff Chinese products massively (e.g. EVs) or simply refuse to buy them (e.g. Huawei). There are several issues with his plan due to problems facing the US that were not present with during the previous attempts by the US to shape the global trade order (i.e. Bretton-Woods, Nixon shock, Plaza accord).

First, as the Money and Macro video pointed out, one of the biggest benefits to join the US-led order was a security guarantee. That is now far less appealing after Trump's abandonment of Ukraine and his threats to annex Canada, Greenland, and Mexico. This is an absolutely crucial pillar of this strategy, and it gives me the sense that rather than having a comprehensive national strategy, Trump is separately pursuing national security and economic strategies which really should not and cannot be separated.

Second, the deal Trump presents is essentially Plaza Accord 2.0 (PA2) to the rest of the world. In order to preserve access to the US consumer market, trading partners will be asked to raise their own currency valuations thus making their exports less competitive and/or move manufacturing to the US. The Plaza Accord 1.0 (PA1) already caused significant harm to many other nations' industries, so countries involved in PA1 have mostly been sucked dry already, while those who were not involved who have significant industries (the behemoth here is of course China) are unlikely to be enticed by the security guarantees, especially given how much it's been weakened by Trump's own doing. It's hard to say if the PA1 really worked anyway. Japan's failures IMO has more to do with their inability to catch onto emerging industries than anything else, as they maintained their dominant positions in the industries they were already dominant in and their trade deficit with the US did not significantly change.

Third, the US is no longer the sole economic superpower in the world. China's response thus far suggests that it's digging in for a fight. In my assessment, this is the true beginning of Cold War 2. Before they were skirmishes, limited to gradually broadening sectors, this is now full-spectrum non-kinetic warfare. To this end, I believe that China will do what Yanis suggests, which is to rebalance the economy to increase consumption. Production can no longer rely on external demand, and seismic changes will be needed. Popping the property bubble in recent years IMO is in preparation for such a move. Stimulus measures cannot be directed toward unproductive asset bubbles like what happened in Japan, it will have to be directed at high tech products that boost a nation's strength.

This is just the beginning, let's see what moves each side will make in the years that follow. The best grand strategy IMO will always be the same, focusing on strengthening oneself rather than damaging the opponent. The side that invests the most into its own system and citizens with the best efficiency will win out in the end.
@Eventine made the same case as that YouTuber made but was written in a cogent, lucid and well argued manner.
 
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