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tygyg1111

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Michael90 said:
Dude if you really follow Chinese foreign relations you will know that China has zero obligations or even will to enter into any sort of military alliance or axis with any of those countries not now not anytime soon. The only country on earth China has a mutual defence treaty d obligation to defend in case of an attack is North Korea AND EVEN THAT IS A LEGACY OF MAO ZEDONGS ERA POLICY OF INTERVENING IN OTHER COUNTRIES MILITARILY TO GIVE CHINA SPACE FROM HER BORDER AREAS. CCP has changed her worldview and policies completly since Mao's death, today's China is completely different ideologically, politically. Economically, culturally etc So her considerations and priorities are completly different. China is not and won't be involving herself in any sort of axis/alliance anytime soon. There are several reasons for that.. Even N. KOREA with whom the have a defence treaty from past legacy is not certain today since China and NORTH Korea are not even on good terms, since the crazy murderous young Fat Kim(he's even worse/more radical than his father) distanced his regime from China and got rid of most of the pro Chinese elements in his regime(including his own uncle).
In short, this so called "axis* is a fallacy.
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Your partner is an attractive coworker I work with; I tell you I have no interest in her. Next month she gets picked for a 2 week overseas business trip with me. Do you think I actually have no interest?
 
plawolf

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supersnoop said:
To be fair, that is what Europeans said of the crumbling Qing Chinese Empire. They wanted to carve it up between amongst one another, but then decided to kill each other before they got to it. Was going through basically all the things you mentioned.

You had a basically totally collapsed country that went through a total revolution, foreign wars and more civil war before coming out the other side relatively intact for what it was.

So actually, it is possible to reform and come out the other side.
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But the core fundamental pre-requisite that allowed China’s resurrection and rejuvenation was the revolution.

I don’t think any of the US oligarchy wants a real revolution thorough and fundamental enough to root out the source of its corruption and decline, because the oligarchs in charge are the cancer destroying America in the first place.
 
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Michael90

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Biscuits said:
Sounds more like you're trying to convince yourself than anyone else.

Europe got fucked over by China and Russia in Ukraine no? And US is about to get fucked over with their relations in Europe with the "new Trump peace deal".

I mean keep telling yourself NATO isn't getting mugged by China as well as the others allies if it makes you sleep better at night. Although is the alternate explanation of China hating Russia and NK really better for NATO? That would imply Russia is so powerful it can win alone while the world's largest economy is telling them, in your words: "zero obligations or will to help their allies". So with zero help, EU economy got sunk by Russia alone...
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I dont understand the point of your argument, are you agreeing or disagreeing with my comment? Lol

My point is China doesn't support Russia's war of agression against Ukraine and hasn't provided any military aid during this war militarily like Russia would have wanted, Russia had to go to the only 2 isolated countries who agreed to help them militarily i.e N. KOREA and Iran. China just maintained her NORMAL ties With Russia nothing much nothing less. China hasn't provided even a single bullet to Russia.
Chinese companies who could afford to get involve in Russia to gain market share and revenue set up business in Russia to fill the void western businesses left after the war did so. Its a normal business relationship. This doesn't means CHINA is supporting Russia in its war with Ukraine. China is carrying out normal business ties with Russia just like China does with EVERY country on earth.
India has also be carrying out its normal relations with Russia and trading with Russia when they can afford to just like China. That doesn't means India is supporting Russia in this war, same with other countries like Indonesia, KSA, UAE, Turkey etc etc.. All of these countries have had similar business relations and trade with Russia to varying degree. That doesn't means they support Russia' s invasion or whatever.

For your point of NATO getting mug by China, I'm confused, when has China mugged NATO? Is there something I'm. Missing here? China hasn't had any real confrontation or conflict with NATO to be honest. China's issues are more in her neighbourhood in East Asia i.e Korea, Japan, Taiwan strait, with South China Sea dispute with Philippines, Vietnam and others while being anchored all by the US in the region.

For the moment China has no real alliance with any country to be honest. The only country we could say China has some military obligation is North Korea, and as I said that too is a legacy from Mao's era. Things have changed alot since then. Again, things might change this coming decades in this regard , but for now this is the current situation we are in regarding china's alliance relationship .
I agree with the Chinese envoy in UN when he said If China supported Russia militarily the battlefield in Ukraine will look very different actually,

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So I don't know why we are even arguing on this matter, China has made her position clear in this conflict, they don't support Russia invasion at all, but they also won't cut off relations with Russia due to this, they reiterated their position for a peaceful resolution of this conflict and respect of country's territorial sovereignty and I respect them for that . That's it. The US Has been the one trying to make China look bad by trying to portray an image if China supporting Russia in the war in Ukraine militarily. Which I understand why the US is trying to do, since anything that makes China look like an aggressive country is good for the US.
 
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