Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

[defenceman]

Hi,
so how long will this 076 will take to be operational fully
anyone have any idea and in terms of carrying aircraft
how many it can take on board any self defence missiles
or guns will be there too
thank you

 

[Totoro]

Fully operational and ready for deployments? Approximately four years?
Commissioned into service with the navy? let's say two years.
I'd wager a dozen GJ-11 drones, perhaps a few other drones and another dozen or so helicopters. Depending on mission requirements, there may be more helicopters on certain missions, in place of some of the drones. (not on one for one basis)
Self defense weapons are already visible. three 30mm guns and 3 HQ-10 SAM launchers. (and anti torpedo defense launchers)

 

[lcloo]

Hi,
so how long will this 076 will take to be operational fully
anyone have any idea and in terms of carrying aircraft
how many it can take on board any self defence missiles
or guns will be there too
thank you

Fully operational => around 2027-2028
How many aircraft => depends on what aircraft size, and manned or unmanned (both fixed wing and rotor wing), anywhere from 20 to 50
Missiles => 3X 24 rounds of HHQ10 ready to fire, plus unkown number store onboard.
Gun => 3X 11 barrels 30mm CIWS

 

[asif iqbal]

The Type 076 LHA is pretty big as they come

definitely China sees this kind of warship as a great asset which is why they have many different technologies integrated into one platform

I would say that if its close 50,000 tons its got a well deck, huge expansive flat deck, EMALS and a twin island design China has made considerable investment in this warship with a huge size advantage

I mean lets be honest EMALS is a very advanced technology and the fact China has installed this is telling

a truly multi functional platform conducting

1-amphibious assault (well deck Type 726 LCAC) ,
2-air operations using EMALS and UCAV,
3-command and control using twin island design
4-and fast marine insertion with its huge flat deck and ability to take many large rotary wing

it means greater options for China for when they need to exert combat power

 

[sutton999]

Look at the layout, it will only operate drones. "AI Experience" can be simulated and copied.
One GJ-11 learned how to operate, all GJ-11 will be ready after a software update.
Longer body (<12m) drone park at starboard side. Short-body drones (unmanned heli, MALE) park at the port side.

Therefore, the initial drill may take years, subsequent 076s will take practically zero time to master.

 

[MC530]

Who said anything about overlap or even NATO??
I'm pretty sure France has the institutional knowledge to build a catapult w/o American help.
A country that can make fighter jets and send rockets to space can surely accomplish that.

This is difficult to determine. Launching rockets and manufacturing fighter jets are not prerequisites for completing the ejection device. If it is done at all costs, it may be possible. At least from now on, no country has made similar technical reserves.
Let’s go back to 076. This Leviathan actually feels like a compromise product to me: it is probably built to civilian standards, low-cost but multi-purpose. This is my inspiration for the 6-door close range defense system.

 

[asif iqbal]

if the Chinese Aircraft Carriers can operate the J-XX and Type 076 LHA can carry a squadron of GJ-11 UCAVS

it will be a formidable force multiplier

 

[SunlitZelkova]

EDIT: I missed posts showing there is indeed arresting gear!

A bit of speculation on the Type 076's catapult, as some noticed it doesn't appear to have gear necessary to recover aircraft:

The catapult the Type 076 possesses, coupled with the lack of any arrestor system for recovering the aircraft, perhaps indicates China is serious about amphibious operations and at least at the moment, does not intend to use its amphibious and naval forces as "police patrols" in foreign seas like the US Marines do, as many on this forum and in more Western-leaning circles think they will.

Carrying a drone and being able to launch it would be useful to increase loitering time over a target beach. If the target is Taiwan or Okinawa, or an island in the South China Sea, the drone can cut out the time it would take to cruise to the target beach, but when fuel runs low can simply fly back to the mainland or an SCS outpost. Increased loiter time would be beneficial in a landing operation. Unlike during World War II, amphibious assault ships and their landing craft are large and expensive to produce. Losing an entire Type 075 or 076, or 3-4 LCACs, would be very different from losing an LST or Higgins Boat. Especially in observation of land-based threats, for example, hidden artillery being used once the troops begin to land (the Japanese used this tactic very effectively at Iwo Jima) increased loiter time could prove valuable. Realistically an initial landing operation will seek to either capture a proper port or secure a beach with the capacity for an artificial dock, and thus this feature of the Type 076 would only need to be used once (further troops and supplies can be, and will be, transported by China's vast merchant marine).

In the future, once reunification is achieved (either peacefully or armed), perhaps we might see the Type 076 upgraded to allow it to carry out fixed wing operations away from Chinese land bases. I myself am skeptical they will ever do this (because I don't think China intends to become a global policeman), but we'll see.

 

[dingyibvs]

A bit of speculation on the Type 076's catapult, as some noticed it doesn't appear to have gear necessary to recover aircraft:

The catapult the Type 076 possesses, coupled with the lack of any arrestor system for recovering the aircraft, perhaps indicates China is serious about amphibious operations and at least at the moment, does not intend to use its amphibious and naval forces as "police patrols" in foreign seas like the US Marines do, as many on this forum and in more Western-leaning circles think they will.

Carrying a drone and being able to launch it would be useful to increase loitering time over a target beach. If the target is Taiwan or Okinawa, or an island in the South China Sea, the drone can cut out the time it would take to cruise to the target beach, but when fuel runs low can simply fly back to the mainland or an SCS outpost. Increased loiter time would be beneficial in a landing operation. Unlike during World War II, amphibious assault ships and their landing craft are large and expensive to produce. Losing an entire Type 075 or 076, or 3-4 LCACs, would be very different from losing an LST or Higgins Boat. Especially in observation of land-based threats, for example, hidden artillery being used once the troops begin to land (the Japanese used this tactic very effectively at Iwo Jima) increased loiter time could prove valuable. Realistically an initial landing operation will seek to either capture a proper port or secure a beach with the capacity for an artificial dock, and thus this feature of the Type 076 would only need to be used once (further troops and supplies can be, and will be, transported by China's vast merchant marine).

In the future, once reunification is achieved (either peacefully or armed), perhaps we might see the Type 076 upgraded to allow it to carry out fixed wing operations away from Chinese land bases. I myself am skeptical they will ever do this (because I don't think China intends to become a global policeman), but we'll see.

Please read at least a few of the preceding posts. The anchors for the arresting wires are literally posted and highlighted just last page.

 

[taxiya]

A bit of speculation on the Type 076's catapult, as some noticed it doesn't appear to have gear necessary to recover aircraft:

The catapult the Type 076 possesses, coupled with the lack of any arrestor system for recovering the aircraft, perhaps indicates China is serious about amphibious operations and at least at the moment, does not intend to use its amphibious and naval forces as "police patrols" in foreign seas like the US Marines do, as many on this forum and in more Western-leaning circles think they will.

Carrying a drone and being able to launch it would be useful to increase loitering time over a target beach. If the target is Taiwan or Okinawa, or an island in the South China Sea, the drone can cut out the time it would take to cruise to the target beach, but when fuel runs low can simply fly back to the mainland or an SCS outpost. Increased loiter time would be beneficial in a landing operation. Unlike during World War II, amphibious assault ships and their landing craft are large and expensive to produce. Losing an entire Type 075 or 076, or 3-4 LCACs, would be very different from losing an LST or Higgins Boat. Especially in observation of land-based threats, for example, hidden artillery being used once the troops begin to land (the Japanese used this tactic very effectively at Iwo Jima) increased loiter time could prove valuable. Realistically an initial landing operation will seek to either capture a proper port or secure a beach with the capacity for an artificial dock, and thus this feature of the Type 076 would only need to be used once (further troops and supplies can be, and will be, transported by China's vast merchant marine).

In the future, once reunification is achieved (either peacefully or armed), perhaps we might see the Type 076 upgraded to allow it to carry out fixed wing operations away from Chinese land bases. I myself am skeptical they will ever do this (because I don't think China intends to become a global policeman), but we'll see.

We have already seen the anchors of arresting gears.

Even if we haven't seen it, for the purpose of pure debate/analysis, I couldn't find your reasoning in your post (political, budgetary, operational or technical) of not installing arresting gear for drones.