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Bellum_Romanum

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Concern from Vietnam: Will China follow Russia's example and take "special military operation" against Vietnam?

You can see the anxiety of Vietnamese people. They are well aware that they are completely unable to bear the losses of modern warfare. But they are even more afraid of becoming a vassal of China.
It is not easy to avoid getting involved in conflicts while maintaining one's ability to "balance" among various forces.
But I don't like the conclusion part:

The conclusion is that in order to get rid of the fate of becoming a buffer zone and a Vassal state, it is necessary to seek external support and reduce the risk of dependence in addition to internal construction.
——Introducing external forces for 'balancing' is a high-risk behavior, and perhaps this move will lead them towards the outcome they are trying to avoid.
In terms of military power, in about 30 years, China has developed a platform to equip the air force and navy with larger numbers, modernization and longer combat range. The PLA Army was also reorganized towards mobility and equipment was updated. China's standards of military organization, training, and armament quality are getting closer and closer to those of the United States.

At present, China has not reached the point of military conflict on issues related to the South China Sea and the region. But China's construction of a military airport close to Vietnam's border[22] and increased pressure on the East Sea cannot be overlooked, especially given the precedent of using force of Russia and China itself. In other words, with the precedent of wars with China in the past, and the current Russia-Ukraine war, the probability of an armed conflict with China cannot be zero.

Vietnam originally designed its foreign strategy according to the principle of "balanced" or rather anchored politically, militarily and economically - externally in the three directions China, Russia and the US and a world system with the same value system as the US such as Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Southeast Asia, Australia, etc. The anchoring in these three directions is calculated at a time when the conflicts between these three powers are there but not too intense.

Although not politically neutral due to Vietnam's model and value system, which has been shaped since 1950, Vietnam wants to avoid being caught up in conflicts between major powers, as well as avoid conflicts with major countries, so it adopts a neutral defense strategy. However, being occupied by China in the Paracels and a part of the Spratlys cannot guarantee that Vietnam can completely avoid conflict with this great power.

Above translation from the link you posted. The bolded text captured my attention as I was ignorant from the fact that Communist Vietnam follows Western Values system per the authors claim. Judging from the theme and points the author make which are very western leaning (hard as he try to offer a balanced perspective) it's inescapable that the many points he made seem to only apply and applicable to China and Russia - the need to have buffer zones, and sphere of influence. While shielding America's guilt and even culpability, not to mention the necessity of maintaining and expanding NATO operations and membership away from its original and intended purpose which was to stop Soviet Union communist expansion.

As you, @zhangjim rightly stated that irony isn't lost on the author's strategic dilemma and recommendations for his country which is to coax America to balance China and expect the latter to accommodate or else. I wonder if the author had managed to ask and consult the views of Latin American countries, the Caribbean and the entire western hemisphere
 

horse

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I love the word choice of "purge"
Nothing like reinforcing Stalinesque Communist imagery like purges!
People can't just get fired or replaced under commies!

The Americans love purges.

Look at what they are trying to do to President Trump.

It is all bs anyways.

It is just language, terminology.

The CCP does purges. The Americans practice cancel culture.

What is the difference? There is no difference.

Although must say that there has really been a real purge in China in decades. Kind of miss the old days. They were a little more exciting!

:D
 

horse

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The conclusion is that in order to get rid of the fate of becoming a buffer zone and a Vassal state, it is necessary to seek external support and reduce the risk of dependence in addition to internal construction.
——Introducing external forces for 'balancing' is a high-risk behavior, and perhaps this move will lead them towards the outcome they are trying to avoid.

Kind of weird, why anyone would write this up.

That was the primary reason for a hard line communist state like Vietnam back in the day, to really want to join ASEAN.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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In terms of military power, in about 30 years, China has developed a platform to equip the air force and navy with larger numbers, modernization and longer combat range. The PLA Army was also reorganized towards mobility and equipment was updated. China's standards of military organization, training, and armament quality are getting closer and closer to those of the United States.

At present, China has not reached the point of military conflict on issues related to the South China Sea and the region. But China's construction of a military airport close to Vietnam's border[22] and increased pressure on the East Sea cannot be overlooked, especially given the precedent of using force of Russia and China itself. In other words, with the precedent of wars with China in the past, and the current Russia-Ukraine war, the probability of an armed conflict with China cannot be zero.

Vietnam originally designed its foreign strategy according to the principle of "balanced" or rather anchored politically, militarily and economically - externally in the three directions China, Russia and the US and a world system with the same value system as the US such as Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Southeast Asia, Australia, etc. The anchoring in these three directions is calculated at a time when the conflicts between these three powers are there but not too intense.

Although not politically neutral due to Vietnam's model and value system, which has been shaped since 1950, Vietnam wants to avoid being caught up in conflicts between major powers, as well as avoid conflicts with major countries, so it adopts a neutral defense strategy. However, being occupied by China in the Paracels and a part of the Spratlys cannot guarantee that Vietnam can completely avoid conflict with this great power.

Above translation from the link you posted. The bolded text captured my attention as I was ignorant from the fact that Communist Vietnam follows Western Values system per the authors claim. Judging from the theme and points the author make which are very western leaning (hard as he try to offer a balanced perspective) it's inescapable that the many points he made seem to only apply and applicable to China and Russia - the need to have buffer zones, and sphere of influence. While shielding America's guilt and even culpability, not to mention the necessity of maintaining and expanding NATO operations and membership away from its original and intended purpose which was to stop Soviet Union communist expansion.

As you, @zhangjim rightly stated that irony isn't lost on the author's strategic dilemma and recommendations for his country which is to coax America to balance China and expect the latter to accommodate or else. I wonder if the author had managed to ask and consult the views of Latin American countries, the Caribbean and the entire western hemisphere
Vietnam disappoints me yet again with their lack of 自知之明 (IDK English)... Are they serious??? They think they're part of the west?????
 

BoraTas

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I never understood why Wang Yi was replaced in the first place. He seems like a no nonsense guy, perfectly suited for China's more aggressive FP.
Wang Yi knows East Asia well therefore he was deemed a great choice when China's foreign policy was regional. Qin Gang's expertise was more global therefore he was deemed better for a global-focus foreign policy. I am happy with the return of Wang Yi. He needs to reform the MOFA urgently though. It is currently a meme.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Wang Yi knows East Asia well therefore he was deemed a great choice when China's foreign policy was regional. Qin Gang's expertise was more global therefore he was deemed better for a global-focus foreign policy. I am happy with the return of Wang Yi. He needs to reform the MOFA urgently though. It is currently a meme.
Is Wang Yi retaining his post as the top diplomat in the MOFA because holding the ministerial post in MOFA ranks lower than his most recent elevation
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Is Wang Yi retaining his post as the top diplomat in the MOFA because holding the ministerial post in MOFA ranks lower than his most recent elevation
It looks like he is holding both roles for now. I think Wang Yi is acting as a substitute rather than a replacement until they find the right person for the job.
 

crash8pilot

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While the FM is an important position, you can't exactly draw parallels to FMs from other countries... Your average SecState or Foreign Secretary is probably ranked #2 or 3 in the government, however the FM under the PRC doesn't have a seat on the decision making table whatsoever. The MoFA does traditional diplomacy, whereas Wang Yi's position of Director of the Central Office for Foreign Affairs (an organ of the Central Committee) craft's the PRC's foreign policy itself. As such Wang Yi as a Politburo Member outranks whoever State Councilor or Minister who heads the Foreign Ministry.
 
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