F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Brumby

Major
have you even read what I linked??

it's
"John Venable, a senior research fellow for defense policy at the Heritage Foundation who helped craft the proposal, told reporters during a private breakfast Tuesday morning that the decrease in the Air Force's purchase plan for F-35As would free up money for different acquisition programs within the service."
inside Mar 30, 2017

and now (Yesterday at 12:41 AM) the headline is
The F-35A Fighter Is the Most Dominant and Lethal Multi-Role Weapons System in the World: Now Is the Time to Ramp Up Production

so I concluded Yesterday at 7:16 AM


if you still couldn't see a contradiction between that 2017 sentence and the recent headline, both related to the same author, please let me know LOL

Your primary argument is that both articles written by the same author is contradictory. My question to you is how and in what manner? Your reply is simply that it is and that I failed to see it. That is brute force reasoning - not by facts or reason but based on your own claim that it is.

For example, freeing up resources is about prioritization of spending. That is in no way indicative or a suggestion that somehow it is because of the F-35 capabilities. You have to demonstrate that causality - not through assertion but by tangible facts.
 
Your primary argument is that both articles written by the same author is contradictory. My question to you is how and in what manner? Your reply is simply that it is and that I failed to see it. That is brute force reasoning - not by facts or reason but based on your own claim that it is.

For example, freeing up resources is about prioritization of spending. That is in no way indicative or a suggestion that somehow it is because of the F-35 capabilities. You have to demonstrate that causality - not through assertion but by tangible facts.
Brumby I think you understand a difference between

"John Venable, a senior research fellow for defense policy at the Heritage Foundation who helped craft the proposal, told reporters during a private breakfast Tuesday morning that
the decrease in the Air Force's purchase plan for F-35As would
free up money for different acquisition programs within the service."
inside Mar 30, 2017

and the current (Yesterday at 12:41 AM) headline
The F-35A Fighter Is the Most Dominant and Lethal Multi-Role Weapons System in the World: Now Is the Time to Ramp Up Production

and I think you can see the same author endorsed different things;

or do you perhaps want me to post the meaning of "decrease" and "ramp up"? LOL
 
oh and here's the reaction
Mar 31, 2017
John Venable gets my Of the year award for the surest method of driving up costs and killing capability. Stoopid, Stoopid, Stoopid! From the Heritage Foundation?
to Mar 30, 2017
interestingly Heritage Foundation Defense Budget Proposal Calls for Cuts to Air Force’s F-35 Acquisitions
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Conservative group recommends $632 billion NDAA
while two years later ... see the headline 22 minutes ago

still no contradiction Brumby?
 

Brumby

Major
Brumby I think you understand a difference between

"John Venable, a senior research fellow for defense policy at the Heritage Foundation who helped craft the proposal, told reporters during a private breakfast Tuesday morning that
the decrease in the Air Force's purchase plan for F-35As would
free up money for different acquisition programs within the service."
inside Mar 30, 2017

and the current (Yesterday at 12:41 AM) headline
The F-35A Fighter Is the Most Dominant and Lethal Multi-Role Weapons System in the World: Now Is the Time to Ramp Up Production

and I think you can see the same author endorsed different things;

or do you perhaps want me to post the meaning of "decrease" and "ramp up"? LOL

Jura,

The question should be whether you actually read in full the link that your own self provided because it does not readily support your assertion.

The pertinent statements :
The conservative Heritage Foundation is proposing an $86 billion increase in defense spending, recommending that lawmakers partially offset the cost through a sharp cut to the Air Force's planned purchase of more than 1,700 F-35A fighter jets.

This increase would be counteracted in part by a 30 percent reduction in the Air Force's F-35 purchase plan—from 1,763 F-35 fighter jets to 1,260 jets—under the National Defense Authorization Act, according to Heritage.
The above would be central to your point i.e. a reduction in purchase
… and Venable's rationale was about repurposing funding and prioritization
John Venable, a senior research fellow for defense policy at the Heritage Foundation who helped craft the proposal, told reporters during a private breakfast Tuesday morning that the decrease in the Air Force's purchase plan for F-35As would free up money for different acquisition programs within the service.

However after these statements, the article also stated the following (pertaining point bolded) :
Heritage is pressing Congress to fund the expedited acquisition of F-35As over the next four years, but the report noted that even with accelerated production, the Air Force would still not complete its purchase of the 1,040 combat-ready F-35As recommended by the think tank for the active duty force until the early 2030s. That projection does not include the additional 60 combat-ready fighter jets Heritage recommended the service maintain in its National Guard and Reserve fleets with another 100 to be used in active duty training and operational test and evaluation requirements.

"Expediting" and "ramping up" seems to be more collorary than contradictory in my view.
 
Jura,

The question should be whether you actually read in full the link that your own self provided because it does not readily support your assertion.

The pertinent statements :

The above would be central to your point i.e. a reduction in purchase
… and Venable's rationale was about repurposing funding and prioritization


However after these statements, the article also stated the following (pertaining point bolded) :


"Expediting" and "ramping up" seems to be more collorary than contradictory in my view.
Brumby I guess now any body who decided to go over the links in this page should be able to decide if the author (
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) has, or has not, made a U-turn in last two years
 

Bhurki

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Brumby I guess now any body who decided to go over the links in this page should be able to decide if the author (
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) has, or has not, made a U-turn in last two years
The author's only amplifying the current trending info about the jet. When it was being criticized, he boarded that train and now when its showing results, he boarded the train going other way.
 

dtulsa

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I have read the report. They are typical start up issues that will improve over time. Do you seriously think the USN is the only service in the world that has operational issues? The only reason why this conversation is even happening is because it is the only service in the world that has this degree of transparency.
But I thought the ALIS system was be the end all and be all for the 35
 
now
USA-Turkey F-35 crisis grows with S-400 delivery before July
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Russia could deliver the S-400 anti-aircraft system to Turkey before July possibly forcing the USA to withhold delivery of Ankara’s F-35A stealth fighters.

The US and its allies are concerned that Turkey’s plan to buy the Almaz-Antey S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile system could expose vulnerabilities of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II – weaknesses which could then be exploited by Russia. Ankara has dismissed those concerns, says it is going forward with the delivery of the S-400 and expects Washington to deliver its F-35 aircraft in due course.

"It is definitely out of the question for us to step back on the issue of S-400s, it is a done deal," said Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in a TV broadcast in Istanbul on 18 May, according to Turkish news outlet Daily Sabah. Erdoğan repeatedly has refused to give up the controversial missile system and now says that delivery of the battery is imminent.

"Our deal was to have the S-400s delivered to us by July; they will probably bring that forward," he says.

The S-400 radar system is considered one of the most advanced on the export market and has been advertised by Rosoboronexport as having an "anti-stealth range" of up to 81nm (150km). The system is deployed in strategic locations across Russia, such as Kaliningrad. China and India have also signed deals to acquire the system.

To entice Turkey into giving up the S-400, the USA has instead offered Raytheon’s Patriot missile system. The Patriot missiles system is seen as less advanced and Turkey has refused the trade, however.

In light of Ankara’s march toward the S-400, the US Department of Defense (DoD) halted delivery of F-35 parts and manuals to Turkey in April. This despite Lockheed Martin officially presenting the first F-35A fighters to Turkey in a June 2018 rollout ceremony in Fort Worth, Texas. Turkey is not expected to receive the stealth fighter in its own airspace until 2020.

Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan has said he is optimistic that Turkey will give up the S-400 and receive the F-35, but also recently has said that the USA is making moves to replace the country’s participation in the programme. In total, ten different Turkish firms make parts for every F-35 manufactured.

Turkey remains publicly confident that the USA will not remove it from the F-35 programme.

"[The USA is] passing the ball around in the midfield now, showing some reluctance. But sooner or later, we will receive the F-35s,” Erdoğan says. “The US not delivering them is not an option."

Further raising the stakes, Turkey will also help Russia produce its next generation of anti-aircraft systems, Erdoğan says.

"After the S-400s, the S-500s are also considered, and there will be coproduction of S-500s as well," he says.
 
it's mostly the F-35 inside so this thread for
House Appropriators Scrutinize Air Force Fighter Plans
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5/20/2019
House appropriators this week are using the 2020 budget cycle to weigh in on the Air Force’s future force plans, calling into question the service’s fighter procurement strategy and arguing Congress needs a bigger say in the process.

“The committee does not view ‘
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’ analysis as a definitive solution to the Air Force’s requirements under the National Defense Strategy, or as a firm goal to guide immediate resourcing decisions, but rather as the first step of an iterative analytical, programming, and budgeting process to be undertaken in dialogue with the congressional defense committees,” according to the report accompanying the House Appropriations Committee’s fiscal 2020 defense spending bill.

Still, lawmakers concluded that the Air Force’s planned investments largely fall in line with the “Air Force We Need” blueprint, which DOD submitted to Capitol Hill earlier this year. Buying seven fifth-generation fighter jets for every one fourth-gen fighter strikes a “reasonable balance” between pursuing more capable aircraft and maintaining the size of the F-15 fleet, they added.

While an “unanticipated” request, recapitalizing the F-15C/D fleets with F-15EX would preserve Air National Guard units in California, Florida, Louisiana, Massachusetts, and Oregon, and would make “critical contributions” to carrying out the NDS, lawmakers wrote.

The HAC bill, released May 20, recommends the Air Force purchase 68 new fighters in 2020, including
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from Boeing for $985.5 million and 60 F-35As from Lockheed Martin for $5.1 billion. The Air Force asked for 48 Joint Strike Fighters in its budget request—plus another 12 in an
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—and eight F-15EXs.

HAC’s suggestion totals four fewer fighters than the 72 jets a year the Air Force says would achieve the goals of the National Defense Strategy and shrink the
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from about 27 years to 15. The “Air Force We Need” envisions growing the department from 312 to 386 squadrons, including seven new fighter squadrons.

But the
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n, appropriators said.

“The resources to initiate and sustain such growth simply do not exist within the fiscal year 2020 budget request or future years defense program, nor does the Air Force’s five-year plan for fighter procurement achieve 72 new aircraft within any year,” according to the report. “The plan that has been submitted to the committee requests 48 F-35A aircraft in fiscal year 2020 and every year thereafter through 2024, a reduction of 30 aircraft compared to the 2017 Selected Acquisition Report profile for the F-35 program.”

When 18 F-15EXs are added to the mix each year, total fighter procurement would grow to only 66 jets annually—still six short of where the service says it needs to be.

“The Department of Defense, and the Air Force in particular, have sent conflicting and confusing signals with respect to the F-35 program,” appropriators continued. “The fiscal year 2020 request repeats a pattern of shifting aircraft quantities to future years, reducing the planned procurement from 84 to 78. Further, the Air Force submitted a fiscal year 2020 budget request that flattens F-35A procurement at 48 aircraft per year through the future years defense program despite the F-35A program of record remaining stable at 1,763 aircraft.”

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said in February the service can’t afford its 72-jet goal. Air Force acquisition chief Will Roper also noted in early May the F-35 buy plan shrinks over the next few years “in order to align the procurement timeline with capability development and reduce retrofit costs.”

The bill agrees to fully fund a $728.7 million request for spare parts for Navy and Air Force F-35s, even though lawmakers say they aren’t convinced the military will use the money or the parts efficiently.

DOD is still waiting on a proposal from Lockheed Martin that specifies which data is needed to run an organic supply chain and track all F-35 parts in the Pentagon’s inventory, as well as how much it would cost to own that information, according to appropriators. Getting the cost and technical data for spare parts is a crucial piece of improving supply issues.

“Currently the F-35 enterprise is unable to comprehensively and accurately inventory parts, efficiently move parts between locations, accurately match deployable spares packages to deploying units, or capture cost information for all the parts that are procured,” the report noted.

The F-35 fleet, set to more than triple around the globe by 2023, is falling short of its availability targets and mission-capable rates in large part because of its
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, according to the Government Accountability Office. As of February, Roper said, combat-coded F-35s at Hill AFB, Utah, were 64.5 percent mission capable; the service is working to get all combat-coded Joint Strike Fighters to 80 percent MCR by the end of September.

And while lawmakers acknowledge Pentagon officials’ concerns about long-term operation and sustainment costs, the committee wants to
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on top of the Air Force’s request as well as fully funded Block 4 development, spares procurement increases, and depot activation.

Half of F-35 funding in 2020 will be unavailable until 15 days after the head of the F-35 Joint Program Office certifies to Congress that Lockheed submitted its cost proposal for obtaining supply chain data. Appropriators also told the Air Force to send them more details about the F-15EX’s acquisition strategy, fielding timeline, cost, and testing at least one month before it issues a final request for proposal or a procurement contract.

In addition to fighter jet procurement, the House Appropriations Committee in 2020 backs the “Air Force We Need” proposal by fully funding the B-21 development program, the Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon and Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon prototypes, and advanced engine development. Lawmakers also want to boost directed-energy prototyping by $20 million, add $75 million to speed active electronically scanned array radar upgrades on the F-16, increase the
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program by $50 million.
 
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